This thread is for discussion of ring games that are happening at Ultimate Poker in Nevada.

ready, set, go...

Well as the first one to post in this thread, I think I have to ask the most obvious question:

What happened to the ring game traffic? There were lots of 2/4 and 3/6 tables available every night in October. Suddenly these games rarely run at all. Even the smaller limits seem to have fewer tables now than they did only about five weeks ago.

.25/.5 and .5/1 PLO please

Because I & others haven't started those games on the regular for awhile now...I just have to figure out why tables don't pop up anymore to show me I have action.

The 'others' part of it is partially right. The 'I' part of it? Lol.

I'm almost gold plaque so yes I believe I have the right to say "I".

100bb full ring tables plz

.05/.10 and .10/.20 Omaha Hi/Lo plz.

i took a much needed break but i will be back to starting 100 and 200 nl 6 max games all day.

When will 10plo tables come out?

Seriously how have they not added these yet.

Seems as if they want to fish to swim in their own little pond is my best guess.

Simple question, will we ever see 9max 100bb tables? All the 6max games below 100 nl are dead.

I'm sitting $95 nl holdem husng if anyone wants me.

i was able to start a bunch of 6 handed nl games yesterday at both 100 and 200 buyin. nice to see that at least a couple people were willing to play short handed to make it happen.

Any chance at a 5-10 Omaha hi fixed table? I realize most people play PL but I'll sit and wait for a game.

TChan Starts the thread 10/29

11/16 no responses.

To be fair it is the people asking for the same things since launch.

But does that make it any better?

No, personally, I think it makes it worse. Consider your core group of customers (of which there's a decreasing number) continues to ask for the same thing. Is ignoring them better or worse?

Just because we don't post in a thread doesn't mean that we don't read it.

And, again, I think its very clear that this actually makes it worse.

'We hear you, we just dont agree with any/all of you. We won't be implementing the change you're requesting, nor will we be giving you an explanation as to why."

The model is broken. And if you're dictating to customers, the model better not be broken.

We don't explain every decision that we make based on player feedback. It's physically impossible based on volume, complexity, and overall workload. Something as simple as turning on/off a table stake often has far reaching implications.

I will use an example from this thread - nunnehi had wrote on Oct 31st about implementing .05/.10 and .10/.20 Omaha Hi/Lo.

To physically create these tables is an easy task. 30 minutes at most. To project the impact of the tables - well, that took a bit longer. We had to look at the player base, # of players impacted, project the effects of the stake ranges. When it came down to it, we decided on the current stake range selection as it would best serve the overall goal of encouraging play (not fragmenting the available player base).

This same scenario gets played out for a lot (not all) of feedback requests. It's basic triage. Some requests require an in-depth look at the numbers and some don't.

As always, PM me if you want to continue the conversation more in-depth.

I appreciate this response very much actually. And you didn't divulge anything.
And I still completely disagree with the very foundation of what you've said (I.e. The basis for your response).... But I appreciate the response none-the-less.

I guess whats a bit perplexing to me is.... when you start these sponsored threads (and you're not alone, WSOP is guilty of this also) and don't even take the time to respond the way you just did. I think at times the threads really are counter productive because you guys look indifferent and out of touch.

Just my two cents. I'm sure it's not worth much more.

You make a good point. I know I'm guilty of not posting as often as I should. Part of it is workload, part of it is not always having something interesting/meaningful to say.

So with that being said I will try to create a more meaningful discussion in these threads. Here's my first topic:

In a split marketplace, what are key factors that you look for when determining play volume and how can play be influenced based on available populations and stake ranges?

Discuss.

Im honestly not sure what you're asking. Are you asking me, as a player, how I determine how much play I am willing to give overall and what would drive me to one site v. another? Or are you asking me what I would look for, if I were a site, in terms of influencing those decisions?

Im just a poker player, explain it to me .

As a player, what factors do you consider when determining play?

Lets start with Fish vs. Regulars. Obviously you want to identify bad players and play with them more often, but at what point are you willing to push back and forth with ok/good players?

Is there a golden ratio that you are shooting for in ring game play? Something akin to hands per hour vs. avg. rev per hand less rake?

What are profitable stakes ranges and does it make sense to play at a lower stakes range if there is an increase in volume of play?