Rasta,

Keep up the good fight, man, maybe with your efforts someday the plight of the male virgin will finally be accorded the attention it deserves!

Well I'm sorry Gizmo but your questions have been mysterious to say the least. It seems like you're trying to provoke an answer which you believe you're likely to disagree with but keeping your cards close to your chest on what your own beliefs are.

I wasn't ranting, I was simply trying to answer it as best I could.

Its more men in general, and hey, indeed it is gaining traction

The Sexodus article attracted 20,000+ comments and spread far and wide from a relatively minescule media source.

Check out this debate from about a month or so ago called "Has Britain become hostile to blokes?"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdbAxDdtMZs

This was from 'The Big Questions', a state-funded, highly left-wing BBC1 debate programme broadcast weekly on Sunday mornings. The talk is entering the mainstream and for the better. I sincerely believe it'll makes things better for both men and women as well as the relationships (of all kinds) between them.

Nevertheless, the fact that you and many others are perfectly willing to trivialise an issue which I think contributes hugely to things like male suicide/violence/school shootings etc. is also a reason for why the 'internet-nerd-virgin-stereotype' swings so far to the socio-political right when it comes to issues of social justice.

These are disposable men who now have a voice, and they're naturally, not particularly sympathetic towards blacks/muslims/women etc. all of whom have special interest groups working in their favour and who's societal plights are taken entirely seriously to the point where its social taboo to fail to do so.

Well **** me gently with a chainsaw. That's exactly what you said!

I said that the 'logic' (not the premisses) is scary...

Wishing you all the best.

I'm sorry but I'm still struggling to understand what the issue is, could you spell it out for me a little?

Are you upset by the conclusion or do you believe that my logic is faulty and has caused me to reach an incorrect conclusion?

It is the logic of prejudice.

Science shows that race A steals more than race B, so a person from race A who is not a criminal must be handicapped. (Women get sex easier then men, so a virgin-lady must be unattractive.)

Look I don't know if male virgins are that discriminated in the UK, but if you say so I'll believe it. But you can't make this point by discriminating another group (female virgins).

Again all the best and hoping you and your GF have a lovely week.

You seem to assume that both men and women want to lose virginity equally. But, if there's ~even male to female ratio and it's far easier for one side to get laid it means that the other side wants it a lot more.

That's not true sir, I specifically said that (and here's the key part assuming all things being equal and that she is keen on attaining sex, virginity past a certain age (for both genders, but more so for women) does indeed correlate with unattractiveness. That it correlates is utterly indisputable. Good looking people, male or female, get more sex than less good-looking people.

If you're keen on sex, not particularly fussy about quality of partners, but haven't attained it, you're obviously unattractive or handicapped in one way or another.

This is all a bit of a moot point anyway; away from the internet I can't begin to imagine finding out that a girl is a virgin before I can tell what she looks like. On top of that, my girlfriend in first year was a virgin and drop-dead gorgeous at that, with a lot of male attention.

As such, the fact that she was a virgin was clearly down to her own discerning choices as she had no shortage of admirers.

No not necessarily, I've prefaced each hypothetical with "presuming we're talking about two people who want to lose their virginity" and suchlike.

But yeah, men do want sex more (and are less fussy) than women. I would speculate that part of this is from the stigma against male virginity and the pressures men face to get it done, but also due to nature.

Rasta,


You raise a good point that it's finally about time white men started getting some social justice.

Good to see that racism's becoming such a social taboo in the UK.

To call it racism is really to indicate oneself as having led a very isolated existence.

Take this documentary:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Te87cIh6tCM

These are the truly ignored proletariat. If Great Yarmouth was a town with an incredibly high ethnic minority population the government, Labour or Tory, would swoop in to do all they could to help it. Because they're ethnically British and can be dismissed easily with little political reprisal, they're left to rot. Just as the 1400 white children raped in Rotherham by exclusively Pakistani gangs were for so long. Shelly and Tracy from the council estate are the ones that don't matter in Britain, and what you call racism is simply an insurrection of the long-silent minority.

That isn't a defence of the likes of UKIP and Britain First, but its part of the explanation, just as the Treaty of Versailles did not excuse, but did go some way to explaining the economic misery and resorting to an extremist socialist, nationalist, racist party in Germany in the 1930s.

Aligning your views with national socialism is a good look!

No, what I'm saying is that a cocktail of economic misery and the disenfranchisement of being ignored by isolated elites in government is the prime cause of nationalism and racism.

I would like to stop this from happening, wouldn't you?

Anyway. The UK is very different from the US and a lot of posters need to realise this. Like I say, watch that documentary.

Rasta, I feel a bit of sympathy for you. All those brains in your head, and no motivation in your butt.

I have come to the conclusion that this thread is a diversion for you. It's easier to spend your time in debate here than discovering the reasons that you are not motivated in real life. Debating here is easy for you. Probably learned this is the early grades. You do what's easy, but are terrified to attempt anything outside your comfort zone.

I think you'd benefit from a few therapy sessions. There is no sin in being mediocre at some of the things we try in life. We learn more from our failures.

What things should I be trying? What things am I trying that I'm mediocre at? What 'things outside my comfort zone' should I be trying? I went hang-gliding in Rio for instance, that was pretty scary.

Besides, I've passed the tests for the job I'm applying to and I am learning to drive. So there!

I don't want to apply for the likes of a big four accountancy firm as I'd rather get away with doing incredibly little work at the office and working 2 days a week from home for just over half the salary of a decent graduate job. I simply value freedom above money.

Again, I offer no insult. None was intended. Nor was any criticism. You stated quite clearly earlier in this blog, that you felt depressed over what you felt was your lack of motivation.

I was merely making an observation. Apparently this issue has corrected itself. Amazing recovery, I might add.

Apologies if you were offended.

Rasta,

If you stay with this job, will you be able to move out of your parents' house?

Do you relate to the people in that video? Did you feel like they are actually putting in a reasonable effort to better their situations? Do you think things would be much better for them if it weren't for all the filthy immigrants?

Yeah that's ok.

As I say, working two days from home saves me the equivalent of a £3-4k raise as well as a fantastic amount of time. I can get my work done at home in literally like two hours. The company I work for has an owner making a passive income and bosses who don't have equity or incentive to improve things. Its an easy life.

Plus, there's stuff I can do with my time. Pass my driving test, get in shape at the gym, maybe learn a language etc.

I won't, but the tradeoff simply isn't there. I can definitely be more choosy with what jobs I apply for.

I do need to move out to 'grow up' and suchlike, but at the same time my life is very comfortable indeed at the moment. I'd definitely stick with this job if I were say, 20 or so.

The people in the video are definitely people I relate to. Though I personally am middle-class I've grown up in a fairly working-class area of London and went to school/hung out with a lot of these kinds of people. I think they're all putting in a fair bit of effort to improve their situation or certainly would if they could, but are trapped in a cycle of poverty and welfare dependency that they aren't given opportunities to escape from.

Immigrants aren't filthy whatsoever and its very disingenuous to suggest that I'd say anything of the sort. Immigrants are immensely brave and determined people who have sadly, had to uproot and try and make it in another country and for that reason they deserve all the praise in the world.

The issue is overpopulation, devaluing of the labour market, a massive strain on the NHS and a catastrophic housing crisis. The UK isn't like any other country and you guys have to realise that.

Rasta,


Yep, nobody has it tougher than the Brits! Lol

Are you trying to make your straw-man arguments obvious?

I'm simply pointing out that there's a lot of ignorance on this board about the UK.

Once again, Rasta is a special case in a special country.

Rasta,


Please point out evidence of that from people's posts. What do you think people are ignorant about?

I, for one, lived in London for 8 years, have loads of friends and family around the UK, and am frequently there for business and pleasure. My last time there was for a week just a few months ago.

You say it is very different than the US. What is your basis for saying that? How much time have you spent in the states? Maybe the real issue is your ignorance about the rest of the world?

Toronto has the highest percentage of immigrants of any major city. About 50% of the population are immigrants and about 50%'s mother tongue isn't English. Canada has the highest highest proportion of immigrants among the G8 countries. Londoners and Brits don't know how easy they have it.

Immigrants themselves aren't the issue and I wouldn't like to have less immigration for the sake of having fewer foreigners.

The issue is the housing crisis, a massive strain on the NHS, a clogged public transport system, fewer and fewer school places, stagnating wages and massive overcrowding in London as a result of what is quite simply, overpopulation.

Look, there's no point arguing about any of this when you've been indoctrinated by the richest and most powerful (who benefit from all of the above) to think that anyone who expresses any degree of concern about these issues is only doing so to cover for racism.

So what's the current list?

1. Male virgins
2. Londoners
3. Brits
4. Men
15. Black people

So you think immigration is great, you don't want there to be less immigrants. But London is overpopulated. What, other than whining, would you have done? What's your solution, other than feeling trod upon?