Haven’t pulled this out in long time

AxTx hand - fold-pre.


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So? Let them. Then tighten/polarize your range on those spots counter exploit and bomb those light 3-bets with 4-bets. Or call them off and get to check raise bombing all wet flops that miss the top of their range


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just fold to the mouth breather's limp rr minclick and punish the regs limp rr minclick?

Thank you, gentlemen. Your advice is noted.

And probably correct, but I can't bring myself to fold to a minclick pre.

Crazy right? Do one thing now, to set up doing something different later.


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Any limp rr, esp a limp min rr should def set off all alarm bells, but without knowing more about the player I prolly call here too. Def not shoving though, that's terrible, sorry.

It was pure spew, the worst play I've made in years. I knew it a split second after I verbalized it. I picked a bad time for it, as I can ill-afford this sort of thing.

I'm still losing. Going back again today. I'll crunch the numbers here at some point soon.

I would definitely not generalize what the range of a limp-raise is without knowing the player beforehand, as the OMC who have survived this long in the player pool (or who have maintained being marginal losers), have widened what was once strictly a KK-AA limp-raise range to blocker heavy broadway hands like KQ, KJ, AQ etc. At least from my experience of globe trotting the international tables/playing with the different OMCs of the world

V was a kid in his 20's but not good, the kind who limps and farts around with $100-$150 stack and drinks a couple of Coronas, but no more than that.

It's possible that he could make a fun spite minclick over my largish blind raise, but not likely enough for me to spaz 4bet.

That's why I was saying without knowing player type I would call. If you know their range is AA, KK or even JJ+,AJ+ then you have to fold here ofc because your equity is terrible against that range. IME there are three main types
1) As described they would only do this with AA, KK or even just AA. There may be types who would include QQ, AK or something but this doesn't make too much of a difference, you're looking terrible against all of these. Stack depth is also important here, if they have barely more than the pot left they will usually not fold their unimproved AK, whereas if you are deeper it's a different story.
2) The type you described that has some hands where you're actually looking decent against, or can take it away
3) The type who is capable of doing this with just about any hand he wants to play.
Fortunately you can usually have a pretty good guess who you're up against. But ofc you can be wrong, or you can be up against type 3 but s/he just happens to have AA. The usual.
I also don't agree that peeps would disappear from the player pool if they still limp/RR only with AA/KK. Others also play terrible and there are enough players where this play still kind of works. Also nits are usually not big losers, they are usually small losers, but peeps play too many hands for them to be big losers. Usually, as always it depends.

Yup, agree, sound analysis and as a rule of thumb/without knowing the player type, I would just call/take it from there...

Am not saying they would of been wiped clean from the player pool Darwin style, but am stating that even players that evolve slowly, do evolve and adjust somewhat their ranges/even their limp-raise ranges. That being said, I rarely play small stakes, so my observation comes more so from live mid/highstakes.

Agree 100%. But the game has evolved significantly in the past 2 decades and the OMCs from yesteryears/the Golden poker era, have necessarily adapted somewhat in order to remain small losers/survive the long haul... My 2 cents