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Originally Posted by Nepeeme2008
Religion is culture. At least, that's what it's mostly evolved into. Well, religion has always been a part of culture and cultural identity, but now it's it's main purpose. It's a deviding factor and a uniting factor. For most people around the world, their religion goes hand in hand with their nationality. Imagine being from Saudi Arabia and not being Sunni Muslim. No such thing. That's what the war in Yemen is basically about. The so called Houthi's are Shia and backed by Shia Iran.
So basically, that's why religion still exists and will be around as long as borders exist.
Religion has certainly jumped from the tribes into the nation-states, and the attempt to treat nation-states as vastly overgrown tribes has gotten us world wars, genocides, pogroms, inquisitions, and world-threatening authoritarian regimes.
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Originally Posted by Dubnjoy000
Blending Spirituality and Religion in the same category is a mistake and lacks nuances : if the latter, like mentioned, is highly politicized and quite tribalistic, nationalistic and unwholesome, I might add, the former is more of an individualistic path, agnostic and as wholesome as can be.
I see spiritualism as the baseline instinct. If we sent a generation of test tube babies into space and raised them with no indication of the existence of spiritual or religious matters, I believe that a significant portion of them would express their own spiritual outlook within the first generation. Then I believe that organized religion would develop in subsequent generations as a sort of social control software package on top of the hardware of instinctive spiritualism.
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Originally Posted by golddog
In addition to violating the second law of thermodynamics.
Since science has a ~5000 year winning streak vs fairy tales and magical sky men, I'm going to stick with science.
So how to explain agnostics, atheists, and science-oriented people? I think that there are two possibilities, neither of which are mutually exclusive.
1) Admiration for empiricism, the objective wonders of the universe, and the scientific method are suitable replacements for spirituality. The scientific method—if you look at it broadly enough—resembles a religious rite. There are very specific steps that need to be performed in order to reveal heretofore hidden knowledge about the universe, or to confirm or refute another acolyte's doctrine.
Changes in doctrine, even when proved by the rites, typically run into resistance from old school acolytes, though this resistance, fortunately, is almost never violent in the way of religious schisms.
2) It's possible that modern man has developed sufficient intelligence and/or dropped out of the natural order to the point that our instincts are not as compelling to us as other animals' instincts are to them. This would allow us to toss away our inherent spiritual questing with a modicum of effort.
I'm an agnostic, but I've experienced some profound spiritual moments in my lifetime, and then I've sort of moved on, with my doubts largely intact, but I haven't shrugged off those yearnings for spiritual meaning without some effort. Your mileage, as always, may vary.
Last edited by suitedjustice; 11-18-2023 at 08:24 AM.