As played, fold pre. As not played, call ocean.

To me it felt like someone that made a continuation bet, gave up on the turn only to see you check it back, so bluffed the river.

Maybe because that is what I would have done

But I'm a fish and that's probably terrible advise.

I’m guessing villain had a 7 but I’d pay $35 to see his boat.

No 3 bet pre w 10/10?


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Thr problem with these call call lines it that you only get so much info. You didnt describe villain but normally I'm raising either pre or flop here, and against most players I'm pretty sure both are profitable

Assume that any hand posted here will be vs a decent reg unless otherwise noted.

I know it seems like I'm giving that good reg label out too often for the $1/$2 game. They are, in fact, quite uncommon creatures at the $1/$2 tables, but

(1) They generate a disproportionate number of interesting hands--pretty much all of them.

(2) I'll be running into them a lot more when I move up to the $2/$5 and $5/$10 games, so I'd better know what I'm doing when I get there.

I said that I thought I was indifferent to calling or folding on the river. So what does that look like?



I meant that I needed 25% equity vs his range to call, and it felt like he had a range that gave me just about 25%, so that calling or folding would be around the same EV.

So here's the range where I think he's going to be opening in EP, then taking a b/c/b line (K7s and T7s have no combos left after our hole cards are removed, so that's why they're greyed out). I'll include some of those Axs hands that would try to get me off my passive showdown-bound mid pair/Axs line.



And that puts me at 40% equity. That should have been a snap call, and I made a terrible nitty fold instead.

nit!

Guilty

Btw, I don't agree with the 3 bet pre. A decent reg opening from EP is going to get a polarized 3 betting range from me, something that looks a bit like this.

STOP TEACHING ME

I CAN'T BE TAUGHT GOOD LOGIC

just kidding this thread is the nuts

airline food is bad

a fool and his money are soon parted

A nit and his money are eventually parted. It may take an entire lifetime, though.
In which case the nit wins, imo.

My last day as a volunteer in the office. Work pilin' up. I'll be here until 7 easy. Good thing I'm not goofing off on the Internet.

Also why isn't this thread 5 stars?

First World Problems:

I always try to check in to upcoming flights by email a day beforehand, as soon as that option becomes available, because the algorithm will sometimes sell your goddamn seat out from under you if you don't.

My flight back to Las Vegas today was tied into my old work email, so I didn't have access to it over the long weekend. Sure enough, I got the dreaded SEE AGENT message in the place of a seat number for both legs of my flight when I checked in at the airport today.

There were four first class seats on each of these planes. In no universe is there an average 25% chance that someone who buys a first class plane ticket will decide not to show up for their flight. Yet the airlines still reliably sell five seats in that section, and they tell the poor bastard who checks in a mere few hours beforehand that he'll have to take a $250 voucher, and eat **** back in coach.

It's profitable for them to do this.

I was able to negotiate the actual first class seat assignment that was paid for on the second leg, and I also insisted on getting on the first plane with boarding group one, where they would have had me going last to my newly devamped coach middle seat. In that case, I got to actually put my carry-on up in the decks, when half the people had to suck it up and check their giant carryons.

So I'm 6'1 and 220 lbs (186 cm, 100 kg) with broad shoulders, sitting the middle, and on my left was a 6'4 350 lb (193 cm, 159 kg) dude, and we were melded together like a pair of fat middle aged Siamese conjoined twins for three hours.

The point: I've been a spoiled little ****er with these last few first class flights, and I would have probably just have sat there bored and jaded and entitled for both legs, had I not had it taken away from me in the first leg.

As it was, on the second leg, sipping scotch, stretching my legs out, and watching Black Panther, I found myself enjoying lolling around in mitigated luxury. It was all that much nicer for having first been taken away.

Black Panther was well done and a nice take on the superhero genre, but after two hours, they just went for the standard Marvel Battle Royale, and I nodded off. I woke up with 30 minutes left in the flight, my ass sore--even with the first class chair--from sitting down all day, and myself bored and jaded again. And such is the fleeting nature of human contentment.

Was just thinking the same thing then saw this. Let's vote it up gentlemen.

How do you vote? Nm I just saw the option as I pressed submit lol.

so you bought a ticlet for a two leg flight with the second having a confirmed first class seat. Thats what you got and are upset?

Supposed to be first class for both legs.

Holy ****! Thanks for the votes!
You guys get from me.
I've started a challenge. I was going to post it in PG&C but **** that, we'll keep it here in this fred. Details tomorrow.

(Keep Your Heart) Three Stacks Challenge: $600 to $60,000

Cliffs:

• Play the challenge 8 hours a week.
• Treat cash game buyins like tournament buyins.
• Treat cash game stakes levels like tournament blind levels.
• Start with 3 buyins of 100bbs each at $1/$2 (i.e. 3 x $200 = $600)
• Don't pull out a new buyin until I go broke with the current one (i.e. don't top up a short stack.)
• Move up to the next level when the bankroll hits 3 x 100bb buyins for the next level.*
• Keep going until I lose all 3 buyins at a given level.
• Then start a new "tournament" over again at $1/$2 and try to run it up again.
• If I don't lose, quit at $50/$100 once the bankroll hits $60,000

*There will be an added 25% profit-taking vig above the required 3 buyin amount, which I'll explain later in the anti-cliffs.

Anti-cliffs

Years ago, before Black Friday, I played in a $1.10 tourney on Full Tilt called (something like) the Little Big $100,000 Guarantee Turbo. Tilt's goal was to run it weekly, and to see it get at least 100,000 entries each time. Instead, they averaged around 35,000 runners. The Little Big ran 4 or 5 times before they gave up on it, having punted off more than a quarter of a million dollars in overlays--chump change during those heady golden days of rank fiscal malfeasance.

IIRC, starting stacks were $T2000 and blind levels were 5 minutes.

My first hand of the tourney went off like this.

(Blinds 10/20) Two players.

UTG opens for $80. I call on the Button with 99.

(Pot 190)

Flop A92

UTG bets 120. I raise to 360. UTG shoves for 2000. I call.

(Pot 4030) Two players, both are all in.

UTG shows AA

Turn 2

(Pot 4030) Two players, both are all in.

River 9

And so it went, I ran like a golden god: won every flip, won when I was ahead, won when I was behind, won heads up and won multiway.

I came in 2nd out of 35,700 or so players, and I took in $6300 from my $1.10 investment. I was barely more than a thousand tourneys into this Holdem game, playing micro buyins for fun, so that win made my graph do one of these.



So what does this have to do with the new challenge?

The thing that struck me as most interesting was that during the heads up phase I briefly had a large chip lead over the other player, before my luck finally ran out and I took a few beats and went out.

The point is that my stack was over $T50,000,000 at one time. I had built that empire up from the measly starting stack in less than 6 hours.

I couldn't help but think: what if that had been real money? What if I'd started somewhere playing cash with a $2000 bankroll and had run it up to $50 million?

Tournament players, consider how many times you've run your starting stack up a mere 100x, say 3000 to 300,000.

Plenty of times, amirite?

Thus was born in my head an idea for a hybrid cash/tourney money management scheme.

As for the origin of the (Keep Your Heart) Three Stacks name, it's a bit tl;dr, even for me. I'll put it in a spoiler. Best to skip over it for now and come back to it later, and then only if you're a fan of Uncle Suited's Pointless Tales.



There's a twist to this challenge, one which I feel is necessary: I'll be raking off a 25% vig upon every transition to a higher stake. So instead of needing $900 in the bankroll to move up from $1/$2 to $1/$3, I'll wait until I have $1125, and then I'll rake off $225, or 25% of that, then start the $1/$3 levl with the remaining $900 bankroll.

What's the vig for? It goes towards a new starting bankroll when I crap out at a higher stake and then have to start over again at $1/$2.

If, say, I crap out at $2/$5 and get busted down to $1/$2, I'll have already paid $600 in total vig transiting from $1/$2 to $1/$3 ($225) and then from $1/$3 to $2/$5 ($375). So my new start at $1/$2 will be paid for by the vig taken from moving up just those two levels in my prior failed attempt.

Let's say I make it up to $5/$10 before I crap out: that additional $750 I'll have paid in vig transiting from $2/$5 to $5/$10 will be captured as pure profit.

The end game of the challenge will be to get up to $60,000 at $50/$100, at which time I will forego the vig and declare victory, and then I'll be taking 6 weeks off to bum around Europe.

The challenge bankroll will not be truly separate from the regular playing bankroll, so wins and losses in the challenge will go into the normal profit and loss statement.

The challenge began yesterday at the Flamingo. It will commence again for 8 hours sometime next week. Until then, I'll be buying in for the normal 150-250bbs and keeping it topped up, as per my standard non-challenge cash game play.

Flamingo: 8 hours:
+$147

Challenge:$1/$2 Level:

Starting bankroll: $600
Current bankroll: $747
Bankroll needed for $1/$3: $1125

Liferoll is separate from bankroll, yee?

I have enough to weather 5-6 unprofitable months before my risk of ruin at $1/$2 would grow too high. But if I should ever have 5-6 unprofitable months, then I should not have been at the tables in the first place.

Tellbox

Years before I started playing live, I skimmed through Caro's Book of Poker Tells, as well as Joe Navarro's Read em and Weep. It's likely that I'll pick them up again at some point, as I remember next to nothing from them.

Aside from Caro and Navarro, the other experts and coaches I've read and watched have maintained that live tells are fairly rare and fairly unreliable, and that they should be used as a sort of tiebreaker only after the action, the board, the cards, the ranges and player frequencies have all been given their due consideration. From what I've seen so far, I tend to agree with that assessment. On Wednesday and Thursday however, I ran into an exception to that rule.

We all know this guy in general: middle aged, slightly balding, likely of Italian descent, wearing a bowling shirt and nice loafers, and brimming with a self-assured confidence, which may not actually be warranted. This guy from the hand specifically, if he has played in a home poker game for any length of time, has been a major factor in his buddies getting new snowmobiles, or four wheelers, or vacation packages.

In fact I'm pretty sure that he is in a regular home game, and that the players there have done nothing less than to lovingly encourage and cultivate all of his idiosyncrasies, his holding forth, and his table talk. And for a brief time, the object of all their diligent work presented itself to us Las Vegas players as a gift from the poker gods.

He and I played 6 hours at the same table across two days. He played half of his hands, mostly for a limp, limp/call or a cold call. He loved the connectors and the one-gappers, suited or not, and he almost always showed his hand, whether or not it went to showdown. He had verbal and physical tics that were very specific to his hand type and strength. All of this together gave me the most reliable read that I've had on any poker player.

I picked up AA UTG. opened for $10 and got 4 calls, including the Tellbox in the BB. He had $215 behind after calling, and I covered.

(Pot $51) Five Players

Flop J39

Tellbox donked $30 from the BB, I called and everyone else went away.

After I called, he started drumming on the rail with both hands. I'd seen him do this with good but not nutted hands. With his weaker hands or bluffs, he would freeze and go quiet if he was chatting. With nutted or near nutted hands he would hang his hand-propped head sideways, very low and mournfully, overcome with false ennui.

From the drumming, I was thinking he had was weighted toward QQ, KK, and J9. One combo of AA was in there as well, as I'd never seen him 3-bet in 6 hours. I wasn't sure if 33 would be a drumming or a hangdog hand, so I put one combo in with the drumming and left the other two combos for the hangdog.

(Pot $111) Two Players

Turn T

"i'm going to see what you're going to do," said Tellbox, checking to me.

In 6 hours, he had never once tried to deceive with his table talk. What he'd said had always meshed with what he'd had. I took it to mean he didn't like the scare card on the turn. In any case, his drumming on the flop had already ruled out the KQ and 87 gutshots that got there on the turn.

I bet $45. Too small by half. I was distracted from keeping an eye on Tellbox and had lost track of the pot size.

He called quietly and sat still.

(Pot $201) Two Players

River 3

Tellbox donked all in for $140.

"There. I'll just...I don't know where you're at." he said.

(Pot $341) Two Players, one player all-in.

I stopped and took my sweet, sweet time looking at him. He didn't hangdog once. I apologized to the table for taking so much time. After 45 seconds or so, he drummed.

It's J9 and only J9, said the Call Devil on my right shoulder. All day, all night and into next Tuesday.

I have to agree with the station here, said the Nit Devil on my left shoulder, that it's weighted towards J9. Though don't forget the one combo of quad threes. In any case, your overpair is never good here. He's check/calling with KK and QQ here, not donk shoving. Fold it.

I had, for the first time, put someone on an exact hand with a fair amount of confidence. I congratulated myself on saving $140--just as good as winning $140--and I grabbed my aces to throw them in the muck.

Hey dumbass! Knock if off! You made two pair on the river, you dumb ****. You counterfeited him. I don't think he sees it, either.

I was so fixated with patting myself on the back for figuring out my opponent's hand that I hadn't read my own hand correctly. I pulled my cards back, just before releasing them, and I called.

Flamingo: 8 hours:
+$91

So Tellbox did have J9? Did he say anything?