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Old 08-13-2018, 03:38 AM   #251
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damn just coming across this thread, subbing

loved your nittastic tales thread
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Old 08-13-2018, 06:48 AM   #252
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Auntie Rexx is right

More importantly I hope you didnít hurt yourself aka wake up choking and ****
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Old 08-13-2018, 08:53 AM   #253
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SJ, dont listen to them, skipping friday night drinking is biggest leak ever.
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Old 08-13-2018, 12:02 PM   #254
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Welcome! I remember you for being very kind in the other thread. Thank you for that. This one's in real time so the stories won't be as dramatic, since I don't have years of material to pick through like in the old thread.

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Missing out on playing on a Saturday night is a pretty big leak. If you are going to have a big drinking session probably best to do it on a weekday. Anyway you know everything I'm saying
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SJ, dont listen to them, skipping friday night drinking is biggest leak ever.
As always, thanks for the advice guys. There may be a path of moderation that I need to find here.

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More importantly I hope you didnít hurt yourself aka wake up choking and ****
Nah, just puking up bile and wanting to die--standard. The choking is always out there waiting, though; like a monster under the bed that happens to be real.
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Old 08-13-2018, 01:43 PM   #255
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I keep my red ($5) chips in stacks of 20 ($100), pretty standard. Other $1/$2 players will probably agree that there's something oddly satisfying about swinging a full stack around and pushing it across the betting line.

I always swing a stack of $100 around from the back of my assembled stacks, never from the front--for some reason that's much more satisfying. I see that particular motion a fair amount from other players. If it's a $200 bet, then one stack goes around the chips to the left, and the other goes around to the right.

The quirk that I've picked up recently--one that's amusing to me and probably not to anyone else--is that whether it's for value, for a semi-bluff, or for a stone bluff, I am always thinking exactly one thing and only one thing when I swing that stack around.

weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

In that moment, I've already made my decision and my mind is empty of everything except for that one sound. I have caught myself mouthing the word.

Hand 1:
A reg opens for $7 in EP, called by a rando in LP, called by Old Man Coffee in the SB.

I have A4 in the BB. This is a great spot for a 3 bet. In fact, my exercise for the day is "3-bet a reg with a polarized range" and A4s is squarely in that range. I flub it and just call.

(Pot $28)

Flop 347

Old Man Coffee donks $25. I have seen this before with other OMCs. Don't let them fool you into thinking that they're peddling the nuts. They may have a piece, they may have a draw or air, but they know that they're going to get a lot of folds here on this low, semi-wet board with their image and a pot or a pot+ donk. And they also know that someone is going to let them know pretty quickly if their gambit is no good.

(Pot $53)

BB (hero): weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Folds all around. Hero wins $53.


Hand 2:
I think I'm going to take a lot of **** for this one. But let's go ahead with it...this isn't Suitedjustice's Only Hands That I Think I Played Well blog.

Folds to me on the button. I open $10 with K8. Aggro Internet Kid calls from the BB.

(Pot $21)

Flop QQ6

BB donks $8. Looks like a probe bet with a lot of air. Less likely, it could be a strong hand and an attempt to get me to spew over it. A call here will give him the least amount of information. Call.

(Pot $37)

Turn 9

BB donks $15. This is a near equivalent to a 'samebet' turn, which often calls out a weak made hand. 77-TT, A6, A9, or a non-nut naked flush draw--something like that.

I raise to $45 and BB calls.

(Pot $127)

River 7

BB checks. Hero (BTN) weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

BB shoves for $41 more.

(Pot $368) One player all-in.

I go in the tank...for $41 goddamn dollars. Why didn't I look at his stack on the river and just put him all in for slightly pot+ effective? JFC. I got caught up in the aesthetic pleasure of swinging out exactly one full stack, that's why; and now it's put me in this spot.

Who check/shoves small on the river as a bluff?

He only has to be bluffing only 10% of the time for me to break even on this call. That sounds like a snap, but wait: is my K high even a bluffcatcher more than half the time? Ace high and all low pairs are bluffs that win the pot here at showdown.

I fold.


Hand 3:

I open for $10 in in EP with T9 and get a call from a rando in MP and a spewy player in the BB.

(Pot $31)

Flop KAQ:

BB checks, I bet $20 and get 2 calls.

(Pot $91)

Turn 8

BB donks $100. Hero (EP) double weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee, putting BB all in for his remaining $41 Coincidence?

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MP folds. BB calls.

(Pot $373) One player all-in.

River A

BB tables A8 for a rivered full house. Nice hand sir.

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Old 08-13-2018, 02:06 PM   #256
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Old 08-13-2018, 02:23 PM   #257
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I think I'm going to take a lot of **** for this one.
Well, I'm glad to be the first one to comment on this hand (memes aside). Hopefully one or two strong live cash game players will comment as well; then I can check if I was right.

Preflop I'd open smaller. Calling the flop seems fine. I'm not so sure about the turn; raising to rep a Q or better could be good, but villain gives you nice odds to hit your flush, which would be disguised and would propably win your opponent's stack if he has a Q. As played, betting 60-70% pot on the river seems enough to me.

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Old 08-13-2018, 03:11 PM   #259
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Your hand reviews are 5-star, you recall events with such flair.
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Old 08-13-2018, 09:31 PM   #260
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SJ,

not that you asked for it but heres my pennies.

In general your lack of including stack sizes makes me think you are not taking this into account, which would be more than a massive leak.

Hand 1 - A4 suited is a fine hand to 3x but you dont always have to do it, and having OMC in front of you is worse then having the reg in front of you + looks squeezy to anyone paying attention when you squeeze the oop omc. Also, given how hard you smack this flop you may consider peeling here to allow the LP opener to float with overs or possibly try a bluff raise, or let OMC continue with his crap Also, what do you think OMC's bet folding and bet calling ranges are here? I dont see many, if any, hands that you are behind folding here except a weak 7 which you can play very easily against.

Hand 2 - I can see the float and some reasoning for bluff raising turn, but when called what do you think villian is x/folding on the river here? How often do you think villian has a busted diamond draw vs a Q?

hand 3 you just tap the table and reload
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Old 08-13-2018, 11:16 PM   #261
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Well, I'm glad to be the first one to comment on this hand (memes aside). Hopefully one or two strong live cash game players will comment as well; then I can check if I was right.

Preflop I'd open smaller. Calling the flop seems fine. I'm not so sure about the turn; raising to rep a Q or better could be good, but villain gives you nice odds to hit your flush, which would be disguised and would propably win your opponent's stack if he has a Q. As played, betting 60-70% pot on the river seems enough to me.
Thanks Sheep! Now ideally you want to size your open pre to get 0-2 callers. Online, that usually averages out to 2-3 BBs with very little variance. But at live $1/$2 in Las Vegas, the average is 5-6 BBs with a lot more variance.

At some tables $7 will do the trick just fine. At other tables, $17 will get you 2-5 callers all day long. You really have to keep a close eye on table conditions to find the sweet spot for opening live. And you'll have to trust me that in this spot it was $10.

Now post, your advice would have saved me $30-$40 bet/folding on the river if I hadn't been fixated on swinging that full $100 stack.

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not that you asked for it but heres my pennies.

In general your lack of including stack sizes makes me think you are not taking this into account, which would be more than a massive leak.

Hand 1 - A4 suited is a fine hand to 3x but you dont always have to do it, and having OMC in front of you is worse then having the reg in front of you + looks squeezy to anyone paying attention when you squeeze the oop omc. Also, given how hard you smack this flop you may consider peeling here to allow the LP opener to float with overs or possibly try a bluff raise, or let OMC continue with his crap Also, what do you think OMC's bet folding and bet calling ranges are here? I dont see many, if any, hands that you are behind folding here except a weak 7 which you can play very easily against.

Hand 2 - I can see the float and some reasoning for bluff raising turn, but when called what do you think villian is x/folding on the river here? How often do you think villian has a busted diamond draw vs a Q?

hand 3 you just tap the table and reload
Thanks tbh! I did ask indirectly so we're good. And yours are exactly the questions I was looking for.

Hand 1 was 4 way, remember. I think that if I had folded, OMC would have taken down the pot, but if I had just called, it would have been 3-4 way to the turn, with me rocking a pair of 4s and a lot of equity.

Multiway, I'm going to hate a lot of turn cards, so hand reading OMC takes a back seat to hating the turn with a bunch of people still in.

My thought process was that I wanted to see either zero cards or 2 cards, and never one card, and a big raise on the flop brought me closer to both results at the same time. Regarding stack sizes, OMC had around $125 left after donking the flop, so I was putting him all in effectively.

Hand 2, you are absolutely right about me not looking at stacks. Not going to equivocate. That was a leak.

I think he's x-folding small pairs, A6, A9, combo draws--about enough combinations for me to make a desperate play at the pot. A big bet on the river for me after a turn raise is polarizing, and potentially bad for marginal made hands that may have stubbornly called on the turn, thinking that I had a draw (which I did). Anyways, nice hand internet kid.

Hand 3 was super standard and I only included it for its keeping with the swinging stacks around theme along with the $41 coincidence with hand 2, which potentially made for a good narrative.

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Thanks robert! I was a bit afraid that they were boring AF.

BTW, if you like this thread, it's really only a pale shadow of Matt Moore's Another Kid Another Dream thread. If you haven't already read that, you would be well-served to check it out.

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Thanks Sheep! Now ideally you want to size your open pre to get 0-2 callers. Online, that usually averages out to 2-3 BBs with very little variance. But at live $1/$2 in Las Vegas, the average is 5-6 BBs with a lot more variance.

At some tables $7 will do the trick just fine. At other tables, $17 will get you 2-5 callers all day long. You really have to keep a close eye on table conditions to find the sweet spot for opening live. And you'll have to trust me that in this spot it was $10.
But... but...

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But... but...



You're never getting more than two callers.
Can't argue with that, Sheep Į\_(ツ)_/Į

Reminds me of the potato paradox that was recently posted on Reddit.

You have 100 kgs of potatoes made up of 99% water and 1% solid. If you dehydrate them to 98% water and 2% solid, the potatoes will then weigh 50 kgs, according to the math.

From the wiki:

100 kg of potatoes, 99% water (by weight), means that there's 99 kg of water, and 1 kg of solids. It's a 1:99 ratio.

If the water decreases to 98%, then the solids account for 2% of the weight. The 2:98 ratio reduces to 1:49. Since the solids still weigh 1 kg, the water must weigh 49 kg for a total of 50 kgs for the answer.

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No hands of significance today, just some standard beats and some standard wins.

I think I've found a big leak though: I'm barreling too much for $1/$2. I need to back off, check fold more turns, and wait to bet more value. The initial problem with this is that there are a lot of $1/$2 players who will peel the flop light and then always give up on a brick turn, if I barrel.

But there are still more players who won't do this, and who don't gaf about the story I'm trying to tell with that second or third barrel. They're only thinking about what they have, and if they like it, they'll shove it on me. So, better identification of who I'm working with and less barreling in general going forward. I need to be able to cite at least one example where I thought villain was peeling light then giving up on the turn, before I barrel on them.

The second leak is ripping myself off on the timeclock, specifically with cutting the day short after I've started out stuck and then clawed my way back into the green. The day needs to be 8 hours long, not 6. The cash game session is thousands of hours long, not 6 or 8.

Leaving early to book a win combines the most seductive parts of laziness and magical thinking, to the extent where it's almost irresistible to the normal human mind. If we were wired to truly grasp and appreciate long term probability, there would be far fewer casinos in the world.

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SJ,

The potato paradox seems to be a matter of density and volume of mass and isnít a paradox whatsoever.
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Thanks tbh! I did ask indirectly so we're good. And yours are exactly the questions I was looking for.

Hand 1 was 4 way, remember. I think that if I had folded, OMC would have taken down the pot, but if I had just called, it would have been 3-4 way to the turn, with me rocking a pair of 4s and a lot of equity.

Multiway, I'm going to hate a lot of turn cards, so hand reading OMC takes a back seat to hating the turn with a bunch of people still in.

My thought process was that I wanted to see either zero cards or 2 cards, and never one card, and a big raise on the flop brought me closer to both results at the same time. Regarding stack sizes, OMC had around $125 left after donking the flop, so I was putting him all in effectively.

Hand 2, you are absolutely right about me not looking at stacks. Not going to equivocate. That was a leak.

I think he's x-folding small pairs, A6, A9, combo draws--about enough combinations for me to make a desperate play at the pot. A big bet on the river for me after a turn raise is polarizing, and potentially bad for marginal made hands that may have stubbornly called on the turn, thinking that I had a draw (which I did). Anyways, nice hand internet kid.

Hand 3 was super standard and I only included it for its keeping with the swinging stacks around theme along with the $41 coincidence with hand 2, which potentially made for a good narrative.
4 way is no different, getting this in multiway is just fine otf. If your read is that OMC is doing this with junk then why raise him off.......Whats wrong with seeing 1 card? You hit gin 30% of the time and have position on the villian that donked the flop. I am not saying raising is bad, its hard to exploit and you get to realize your full equity but you also fold out all hands you beat and almost none that beat you. In general, imo, at 1/2 it is very profitable to play turns and rivers more often as people dont know how too,


i dont acre about your ratios but if you have 1lb of solids and 99 lbs of water and you change the ratio of water to solid by removing water you still have exactly 1 lb of solids
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4 way is no different, getting this in multiway is just fine otf. If your read is that OMC is doing this with junk then why raise him off.......Whats wrong with seeing 1 card? You hit gin 30% of the time and have position on the villian that donked the flop. I am not saying raising is bad, its hard to exploit and you get to realize your full equity but you also fold out all hands you beat and almost none that beat you. In general, imo, at 1/2 it is very profitable to play turns and rivers more often as people dont know how too,
I think OMC has some junk and a fair amount of weak made hands that are beating me atm. Yes, I have great equity, but that's best realized by seeing zero or two cards and not getting blown off the hand on a number of bad turn cards.

I'd like to build a range of weak made hands that beat me there, because (1) I think there are a fair number of combos which do that and (2) I think it coincides with the range that randos 1 and/or 2 are going to overcall with if I just call OMC, which would mean that I'm blasting them off a certain number of hands which are beating my low pair and draw as well at that moment in time.

I'm tired af though tonight, so I'll do that tomorrow. I'd like to do it right, so that if I'm wrong, it would still be a good exercise.
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The potato paradox seems to be a matter of density and volume of mass and isn’t a paradox whatsoever.
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i dont care about your ratios but if you have 1lb of solids and 99 lbs of water and you change the ratio of water to solid by removing water you still have exactly 1 lb of solids
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Damn Americans. It's kilos!
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No hands of real note today--small pots and standard spots.

After two days of searching, I finally found a good reg to 3-bet with a polarized range so I could get my exercise checked off.

He opened $10 in MP and I 3xed to $30 on the button with A3. A Live One called in the BB and MP reg called.

(Pot: $91)

The flop came a beautiful bone dry J22. Checks to me and I c-bet $60. Folds, and I took down a nice medium pot through a little hustle.

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I didn't even grunch.

Only thing I have to say is-
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Boil em, mash em, stick em in a stew. Lovely big golden chips with a nice piece of fried fish.
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I'd like to build a range of weak made hands that beat me there, because (1) I think there are a fair number of combos which do that and (2) I think it coincides with the range that randos 1 and/or 2 are going to overcall with if I just call OMC, which would mean that I'm blasting them off a certain number of hands which are beating my low pair and draw as well at that moment in time.
Ah, Jesus, I give up. The possibility of one or two overcallers after I flat the flop makes it too complicated for my tiny brain to formulate a multiway range model for statistical analysis. To pull that off, I think I'd need the capability to do some of that triple range merging I've heard so much about.

No new hands of note to report. I ate a nice salad today at my free buffet from Planet Hollywood. I hear you kids like your Instagrams and whatnot, so here it is.



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