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10-04-2016 , 09:13 PM
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Sweet. Name of boat?
I've been trying to think of something. All I could come up with was

FinAlly! (finally, Fin Ally).

I'm open to suggestions.

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i am extremely jealous.
Thanks. it's been a long time coming.

In other news. Hurricane (#3) a'comin'.
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10-04-2016 , 09:43 PM
I have no suggestions. I just want to see everyone else's .
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10-07-2016 , 05:50 PM
So.....

I wrote a short story and I think it's fairly good. Yeah, I know. But even if it sucks, is there somewhere I can publish this? I don't have any delusions of making money on it but maybe there is some place to put it "out there"?

I'm thinking about posting it here. I dunno.
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10-07-2016 , 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by biggerboat
So.....

I wrote a short story and I think it's fairly good. Yeah, I know. But even if it sucks, is there somewhere I can publish this? I don't have any delusions of making money on it but maybe there is some place to put it "out there"?

I'm thinking about posting it here. I dunno.
Do it do it do it! I mean it is a little testing waters, to post it here. If the reaction is good, you can always try to go bigger, and may be even to a paper-format.
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10-07-2016 , 09:42 PM
The Lounge used to run short story contests and you'd probably get some good feedback there. Granted it's a really small audience.
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10-09-2016 , 03:17 PM
Yeah, so someone recommended putting it out on amazon kindle. I looked into it and it is fairly easy. As I said earlier, I'm not looking to make any money but I sort of want to get it out "there" and it sort of protects me. Not that anyone would steal it. And, it lets me test the waters a bit with my writing.

While I was setting it up, I found that you can put illustrated books on there as well. I published a children's book some years ago and this wasn't available at the time. The self publishing was really time consuming and cost me quite a bit of money as well. I was only able to finish one book but I had a whole series written. I sort of gave up this dream but I might bring them back from the dead now.

Doing this and thinking about all of this brought the drudgery of work back. Writing is difficult and not done well when you are tired and are pressed for time. Ugh.

And, it also sort of gave me a little buyer's remorse with the boat. I simply can't do everything - work, write, fish. Not enough hours in the day. I'm not a super high energy person either.

But, back to the short story. I've put it out there and it is ready for review. Whatever that means. I'll post the link when it is ready. The bare minimum I can charge is .99 but I "think" I can make it available for free for a period of time.
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10-09-2016 , 06:04 PM
Fishing is most meditative from "work, write, fish.". And I think 1 $ is OK to satisfy my curiosity.
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10-10-2016 , 07:02 AM
OK, it is out there.

It will be free starting tomorrow. I'm not sure why it wouldn't let me start today.

I would appreciate any feedback - good or bad. Really.

https://www.amazon.com/Fishing-Trip-...e+fishing+trip

Last edited by biggerboat; 10-10-2016 at 07:03 AM. Reason: Looks like it is free for kindle unlimited
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10-10-2016 , 07:28 AM
Oh, and I could only make it free for 5 days.
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10-12-2016 , 08:16 PM
LOL, I sent the story to a few friends and got back...........nothing. It must really suck I really don't mind if they think it sucks, or if it really does suck. I just wish they would give me some sort of feedback. Is it the writing itself? The subject matter? The ending?

Oh well. I have another one rolling around in my mind, and I've started working on it. It will be significantly longer.

And, I really need to finish up the script. I am so close. I've been agonizing over one scene but I should probably just go with my initial inclination. I also need to spend some time on punctuation, etc.

And.............I have those children's books I wrote a while back that need illustrations.

So much to do.

Writing is so time consuming. I don't think I'll ever be able to devote any reasonable time for it. I feel like people that are really successful (musicians, artists, athletes, etc.) don't get enough credit for the time and effort that goes into the grind that is necessary to make things happen. We sort of think they just have a gift (which they do) and they just magically become successful. But there is a dedication required and a ton of tedious and not-so-glamorous grunt work to be done.
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10-12-2016 , 09:32 PM
I haven't read it yet because I had to do a lot of clicking to make Kindle things happen despite not owning a Kindle and I was exhausted by the time it was all done. But you are now guaranteed to be the next author I read in my new Kindle Cloud thingamawhatsit.
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10-13-2016 , 06:24 AM
It is difficult to say something so, that you could improve it. It requires, that I understand exactly not only what I liked or not, but also why.

Here are just some ideas.... I mean someone else may like exactly this points
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very descriptive of details, that don't matter; both persons shown are very flat. It is somehow that I think that they are neither realistic not very interesting. I mean the subject is highly emotional one: dealing with death..... And you write about two pages about how exactly Tony handled the body and 15 lines about his emotions.

If I think about the situation:

My friend just died in my arms. I am in one boat with him. He asked me few days ago to throw his body in the ocean. ...... and my reaction is:

Stand-up, because there is a work to do. Much like preparing for fishing, I have to prepare to throw my friends body in the ocean. Only how I can prepare? I reel in all the lines and then .... the description of the mechanics, how do I throw a body in the ocean.

?????????????? Naaahhhh

I might be wrong. It is just my personal opinion.

edit: and it is not even that it is somehow wrong to describe the details, it can be very cool and interesting. Probably what I missed the most, is somehow to get what is going on an emotional level. If I think about short stories I liked, it is basically always so, that a side/ a feature of a person is shown on some deeper level. May be here this idea with fishing can be developed into something like this.

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10-13-2016 , 08:45 AM
Thanks lapka. Great feedback.

Its interesting because the points you made were sort of what i was going for. Some men, and especially older men, were taught to suppress those sorts of emotions. They tend to approach what you would describe as a predominately emotional ussue as a practical problem that can be solved by "mechanical" steps. I need to do this, then this, etc. To solve this problem you have to do A then B then C.

Note how when he finally finishes the task, the emotions completely overwhelm him.

I probably didnt dive deeply enough into tonys personality. It might have helped to try to illustrate this a bit better.

Thanks again for taking the time to read and critique it. Very helpful.
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10-13-2016 , 10:38 AM
I will read it. But it's not clear how soon I will read it given my backlog. But I definitely will read it and when I do I'll provide feedback.

Fwiw I read 95% fantasy books and it does not appear to be a fantasy book. So just keep that in mind .
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10-13-2016 , 01:50 PM
This seemed familiar. Did you enter it (or a version of it) in a Lounge short story contest?
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10-13-2016 , 03:39 PM
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This seemed familiar. Did you enter it (or a version of it) in a Lounge short story contest?
No. Just wrote it.
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10-13-2016 , 06:51 PM
My thoughts
Spoiler:
It’s well written and it held my attention throughout—I never felt like I was reading it just as a favor and it was enjoyable to read. You can tell you know how to write and it never seemed awkward or uncomfortable to read, if you know what I mean, like it can when reading someone who has no craft to their writing. My biggest complaint is that you seem to be using two spaces after periods, which isn’t done anymore with proportional fonts and looks sub-optimal on the page.

Re: character development and sort of on lapka’s points, I agree I would have liked to see more character development. The plot is a great vehicle for exploring their inner lives. Fishing is a quiet, meditative, activity that encourages self-reflection, and you take advantage of this. I like what you’re doing with it; I would just like to see the proportion of time spent on inner-life to details about the fishing increased. I don’t think there needs to be less fishing, just more inner monologue. There seemed to be more of this at the beginning (i.e. I like the proportions better then), but later on once they start fishing I’d like more of the reflective stuff as well (this may not be accurate though as I didn’t go back to check. It’s just the impression I have now thinking about it).

I think the focus on the task at hand at hand and lack of dialogue between them is realistic—it would be weird if they talked about any of the stuff going on because that’s not what guys d on fishing trips (I assume)—but I would like to see more of what they are thinking about while this is going on.

(I would love if the fishing story paralleled the reflections (it may, I didn’t really track it), so that i.e. the fish gets away, he reflects on the loss of his wife or the end of his marriage; they land the sailfish and there are happy recollections. Maybe not as obvious as these examples, but you get the point.)

Re: plot, I disagree with lapka about the “15 lines about his emotions.” Doing what needs to be done without thinking about what it means and then breaking down afterwards in tears seems realistic to me—the emotional state he’s in once he breaks down doesn’t engender much thinking, just feeling, which doesn’t need to be narrated.

But I do feel like too much detail goes into the disposal of the body. It seems like you put a lot of thought into this—I was imagining you going out on your boat with a full-weight mannequin and experimenting like on a CSI episode to get the details right—and it’s certainly well crafted. My concern is that after the guy takes the pills and we realize what’s happening, I don’t care what comes next. Th realization that it was a suicide journey is what I cared most about and I would be happy If it just ended at that reveal without going into the body disposal.

It’s not that there’s anything wrong with the body-disposal part. It just seems too long compared to the rest relative to its importance to the story. If the story were longer, then maybe I don’t mind. If you flesh out the characters more so the last scene takes proportionally less space, maybe I’m okay with it. I enjoyed the writing and the description, just not as part of the story, as once I get to the reveal or whatever you’d call it, I wasn’t that interested in how it plays out.

Structurally (and this makes it a whole different story so it’s probably not a reasonable “note” or whatever), it would be interesting if the story opened with the start of the body disposal process, then we get the “10 hours earlier” part and start the story of the fishing trip, and then briefly back to the body disposal scene interspersed with longer “fishing story” segments, until we get to the reveal about the cancer and suicide to coincide with when the body goes overboard and he breaks down. That would be a completely different type of story, though, so not really a note.

Sorry to have rambled so long. I hope you don’t take them as criticism but more as an indication that your story engaged me enough that I have lots to say about it.
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10-14-2016 , 09:33 AM
Gregorio.

Absolutely fantastic feedback. This is exactly what I'm looking for.

I'm curious, do you have a writing background?

First of all a big wtf at one space after period When did this happen. Damn, I'm old.

Spoiler:

This was my first shot at prose ever. When I got to the body disposal part I was sort of thinking that one of my writing issues is trying to convey the picture in my mind to the reader. It's something I need to work on. But, yeah, I got carried away a little. Not so much that it was bad, but it wasn't proportional to the rest of the story. I completely agree with both you and lapka that I didn't balance the thoughts and feelings of the men with the mechanical description of what happened on the boat.

It's funny because I also mulled the time thing you mentioned - talk about the body first. But I went with this because I wanted to sort of let the story unfold.




I really appreciate you taking the time for this.
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10-14-2016 , 01:54 PM
I don't have a writing background. I'm like the guy who watches poker on TV and then comes on 2p2 to post strat like he knows what he's talking about, so take my feedback as uniformed personal opinion.

I really do like the contrast between the mechanical description of what's going on in the boat and the inner thoughts of the characters vs if the story on the boat focused on dialogue. It's much more interesting when what's happening on the surface isn't what's actually going on for the characters. I would not have guessed this was your first time writing prose/short fiction.
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10-14-2016 , 01:58 PM
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First of all a big wtf at one space after period When did this happen. Damn, I'm old.
It happened after typewriters got replaced by word processors. I also learned 2 spaces after periods as a kid and don't remember when I realized that didn't apply to computers. see also http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/55...nocide-319631/
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10-14-2016 , 07:09 PM
It is impossible for me to put only one space after a period.
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10-15-2016 , 05:49 AM
What editor are you all using?
MS word?

Use something else.
Open office (I tried just now. It sets one space, after a period.) Latex (that is for nerds. You can do exactly, what you want to do, but you have to know how).

There are plenty of text editors a ton better than word. I have to use word in my job and I hate it with passion.
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10-15-2016 , 09:10 AM
I use Word. I've pretty much always used it and we have it at work so I'm somewhat used to it.

Although I write software for a living, I'm pretty inept when it comes to using other people's software. If I tried a different word processor I'm sure I'd just get frustrated and stop writing.

Microsoft doesn't seem to care how many spaces there are after a period.
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10-15-2016 , 09:56 AM
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Microsoft doesn't seem to care how many spaces there are after a period.
There's an autocorrect setting you can turn on.

There's a reason Word is the standard. People that use something else just like to be contrary.
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10-15-2016 , 01:08 PM
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There's an autocorrect setting you can turn on.

There's a reason Word is the standard. People that use something else just like to be contrary.
BB, I am sorry, I just can't let that one unanswered, but it is my last statement to this theme.

There is a reason why Word is often a standard - good advertising, good product placement into the market. MS is an example that good advertising works. Example that sometimes bad product put well out into market place has a sales advantage over better products. People get hooked-up on MS and don't even try something else. As a consequence there is no comparison.

It is similar like using alternative compiler or alternative OS or alternative browser. There is a barrier to learn something new, even if this new can be better for a given task.
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