we've been getting a lot of applicants lately rest assured we have felt like we responded to them all. I have personally ignored anyone who didn't bother to answer to anyone who couldn't answer the Q&A or random skype messages asking for staking without reading through what we're about and who were looking for.

If you've felt you've been overlooked, or I didn't respond to you but you've felt you've answered the Questions add me on skype, my username is:

Live:LFGstaking

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This is a ****ing joke. You guys are both a joke. You talked Zufo into breaking a contract he had with another stable when you were at a live event in Croatia, right? An event that I staked Zufo for. You are POS and you know it. Both of you guys cannot be trusted and should be black-listed. SEE ME IN PERSON YOU WEAK SCAMMING BITCHES. Both of you better run the other direction or get prepared to be ****ing embarrassed and if you think im kidding - see you at WSOP. Scamming **** boys.

TURBO KINGS FOR LIFE - **** these losers.





This is him asking to learn pot odds a couple months ago LOL - want coaching guys???

WAAAAAAAY more details coming too - but don't get involved with these guys, they are trash. no respect for our industry and how things are supposed to be done. ZUFO AND HIS BACKER/COACH Mandza are both black-listed losers coming soon.

The guy basically implied that I made the contract and that it was not legit - is he ***** serious? What a dbag.

I am bfizz11 and I stream daily live on Twitch - have questions about why these guys are TRASH - come ask me live.

www.twitch.tv/bfizz11

full story here:

https://gyazo.com/384e91adffa3f0f8012bd7e0b112fa39

this sounds a tad more serious than you calling your horse a thief when he didn’t pay the $50 currency exchange fee.

Here is Zufo's contract that was broken in the first pic, and a convo of Zufo agreeing to compensate us for breaking the contract early against our wishes.

https://gyazo.com/8796027d6c6679a5aa45715660539ff4

https://gyazo.com/a22b1c111dd41ad756...DSFtQ5avCICD0c

don't get me wrong, its f**** up what they did, but that "this is america" line is funny as hell

Fact is with his attitude he wouldnt survive long in Croatia Be careful to who you are threatening.

So basically as one of the founders of LFG Staking I would reply to the acquisations:

mandza17 Accusations
Basically we won't deny that we approached zufo in September. Croatia it's a super small country(4mil people) which also means there is a small poker community so we naturaly heard about zufo. We approached him since we we're starting out and Croatian communitty and people mostly us in the Balkan circuit. We gave him an offer what we had and what we're offering and he refused us because of Mastermind program with TurboKings. We part ways and then zufo contacted mandza and asked to join. Thats's the whole truth. Then Brian starts ''technically lieing'' as he shows in his video where he brings the chat with mandza which happens on the 7.11.2018.(in the first 5min he explain his theory and then reconfirms around 10-12min) while the actual tourney which he bases his story happened the next weekend(8.11.-11.11.2018.). So simply his whole thesis is a bunch of assumptions and speculations rather then actual factual evidence or we could ''technically declare lies''. After consulting with zufo he said that he asked to be staked for Belgrade MTT a couple of weeks earlier. I know for some Americans that might be the same but there has been war between this countries and as an advice watch out in the future to not get killed if you mix this in some situations .
This is why we request from Brian an apology for slander a name that has been honest and reputable in the HS community for almost 10 years. We don't believe it's fair that somebody that has been part of the elite poker community and that has devote his entire career to be attacked like this without hard core evidence. I mean this doesnt honor TurboKings/BBZ or anybody else because there was literally no evidence as people that have been honest for 10 years and have traded millions without any bad word needs to disrespected like this.



zufo16 Accusations
Well this gets more complex. Basically it's a messy relationship. Break up and come back and back and forth. Like one of those messy relationships where people can't end up breaking up. Like what I dislike about is his entitilment and the fact that he presents himself as the super saver which isn't completly true. He for sure holds value for the zufo accomplishment which undenieable the way it's present I really really dislike it. Like as someone who brought up one MS grinder and one ex retired HS player I feel him but what's too much is too much. But I get he gets emotional about this topic and he was pretty pissed.
But there was also exxagarations and false statements as well like with mandza17. The biggest one out there is that is no technical confirmation of the last contract besides a Skype call. Brian states in the video zufo agreed via Skype or Email and the screenshot below denies him





This is been reported to us by zufo after going to through chat logs. Zufo seems to never officially agreed besides a Skype chat which he seems to not deny. But Brian's claims are again ''technically false''.

Now here is the spot where LFG Staking later found out and we didn't know at that time:



Zufo didn't tell us that he told TurboKings that he won't coach after we payed them(SS available per request) so we could feel Brian's anger. I mean Brian made a lot of wrongful accusations and brought up facts which are not true, but the essence is that Zufo shouldn't have coached. It's a fact that we as LFG realize and we honestly say that we didn't know about it and we just figured it out now. Zufo is a very young guy that doesn’t understand how holding his words is important in the poker world and that in business means a lot. I mean just a young willing to travel the world and the desire to make to the HS. He is just a fish in this bussinness.

He apologizes this way and that's why we as LFG Staking will remove him as a coach and promise to keep his words till WSOP 2019. In exchange we want the video to be removed and an apology to Mandza, like we do this way apologize to TurboKings having Zufo’s coaching. We really didn't know about the break agreement as this wasn’t shared with us because this is the last thing we want as a young company. Objectiveness and admitting our own mistakes are part of what made us all HS players in the first place, so we have to see our own responsibilities. This is why ZUFO WILL BE REMOVED OFFICIALLY AS A COACH FROM LFG STAKING.

Cheers,

Hans

Thanks for the reply. Before I apologize to anyone - I would like you to make an itemized list of the false accusations you are accusing me of making.

Secondly, I would like you to explain in your own words why one part of the contract you care about - but not the other. He didn't only agree to not coach for anyone except Turbo Kings - he also agreed to not play for another stable except Turbo Kings. Why do you feel it's ok to steal the EV from the player in the contract - but not the coach? What is the difference? His word? Oh boy...

Lastly for now, you called me a liar. Be more specific please. I didn't lie about anything and if you are calling someone out as a liar - you better have quotes ready to go.

I'll wait for your list of quotes or screen shots where I lied about Mandza, and will reply to all of them. If I lied, I will apologize.

And here is where Zufo agreed to the contract:

https://gyazo.com/9734e3ad79fd4e207891f988d03df996

Like I said, I'll be waiting.

Good that you are not letting him coach but you gotta stop making excuses about this agreement stuff. The skype agreement is more than sufficient and you are being absurd to act like they didn't have an agreement. Zufo wormed out of his deal when it benefited him to do so. Seeing as he did this twice he's obv not a very good horse and gl to anyone choosing to stake him.

They sent you $4k for the buyout of Zufo as a player. Didn't know about the coaching portion, so they decided you're correct & decided to remove him from the coaching.

Wasn't it negotiated that $4k was a fair buyout for the MU+bankroll? I get you want extra compensation, but I think what LFG is saying is that they believe the $4k buyout was compensation enough, as they figured you agreed upon it and once a player is out of MU, they're technically released?

Think I'm understanding correctly..

Let me be clear - there was ZERO negotiating. I don't have to negotiate to get the makeup and my bankroll back. That is mandatory and they keep acting like god damn heroes for sending me what was CLEARLY owed otherwise they would be thieves. Way to go guys - cool you have the transfer history - THAT IS NOT THE POINT HERE! We refused to let him leave. They sent me the money that Zufo owed me and took him. THAT IS IT.

The $4k was the makeup he was in + the money in his accounts that belonged to me - that's it. If that wasn't paid immediately we would be having an entirely different discussion - its totally standard and expected to pay that amount or they would have literally been breaking the same rules they black-list their own players for. They did me NO favors for paying off his makeup.

I got $0 for a buy out. I just got what was literally mine. Nothing else. Otherwise, they stole the player from me knowingly after I put in all the work making him a huge winner that was set to earn me a lot of money this year. That. Is. Stealing! And shouldn't be accepted in our community of leaders.

Hans,

While the timeline of certain events might be off in Brians video, one fact is clear based on the skype chat between Mandza and Brian:

on 7/11/2018 Mandza was made directly aware by Brian, that zufo is under contract with Turbokings. At that point, if his reputation and honor and integrity would be as high as you say it is, he should have done one thing: Start negotiating a buyout directly with Turbokings.

At that point it was quite obvious that Zufos intentions were to walk away and we told him many times over at that point, that while we don't agree and won't let him walk away on his terms, we do not wish to block his future and are open to any sort of offer of a buyout.

He promised us repayment of Bankroll, Makeup plus compensation for terminating the contract early. Here is a screenshot of that.

You only paid the MU and the Bankroll part but never any other compensation. You sent an amount that you were told by zufo, without verifying with us if that is the whole amount and if that clears everything.

As a reputable stable you would have made sure that all sides are satisfied, and not started the **** you guys, he isn't your slave and he never signed anything so he can do what he wants. So this is what we are accusing Mandza of. He doesn't give a **** about contracts, pursues new players and new EV to your stable at all cost and has clearly only his own interests at heart.
Mandza in the chat even says we should be happy we are receiving any money at all.

While I do understand watching out for yourself, there is a code in our poker industry that should be followed by anyone.
So not following that code and at the same time claiming you did nothing wrong is clearly contradicting.

As far as removing Zufo as a coach, that's the right move. But you have used Zufo to promote your stable and he has coached others up until now, which he did in violation of his agreement with us and with your support.

So if you are as reputable as you say you are, you will do what should have been done in the 1st place, offer us a buyout.

Imburse us for our lost EV plus for the coachings he provided until now for which we weren't compensated and we will remove all videos and references thereof, and will actively publish that this issue has been very positively resolved. We are obviously very realistic here and don't have sky-high expectations but certainly, more than **** you and be happy with what you got.

Until then there is not much to talk about and your claims of having a super clean reputation aren't backed up by facts.
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I'll be drinking a beer, and waiting. Might be a while before you guys come up with a good reply - I get that. But I have a fridge full. Let's resolve this today. Meanwhile, let's take a poll. How about the Stable owners vote first:

https://gyazo.com/6f049319100545a747091e6f9e528c67

Oh and just to make it clear for those that say but they send you 4,000$. The actual Makeup amount at that time was 1,586.44 USD, so everything above that was money that Zufo held that belonged to Turbokings anyway.

Hello TurboKings and to all other readers,

Unfortunately we were not even aware of the compensation this is new news to us.

You should have exactly specified what the # of was in the compensation for breaking the contract. Zufo initated the quitting, you (although didn't like it was willing to follow through with it), these are the business dealings between you two.

For the compensation firstly since you initiated it you can't forget that zufo is a player first, not a business man. Secondly, English as you know is not his first language, he can interpret your message in any way. So... when you say settlements + compensation (WITH EXACT AMOUNT you want), you should have created a group chat with us, to come to a complete closure.

Instead you didn't, so we were told by Zufo to send this NUMBER (In Croatian
our mother tongue, we don't get lost in translation in anyway), and we thought it was over.

It is clear you were not happy getting any compensation and we get that now, but can you please think for a second about what we've heard or known? This is all new news for us and you've expected us to know every conversation that went down
between you three (Bfizz,TurboKings, and Zufo). We believe you are in the wrong for
falsely accusing us of things for messages our brain never received. Every single angle you've pointed out were conversations that we somehow weren't part of.

Regards,

LFG.

For someone as reputable as you claim to be, I am surprised you are even backing the decision to poach players. Much less continue in this way. Nonetheless, let's continue, Mr. Reputable.

Let's jump to your opening where you say you were not aware of the compensation and that it's new to you: My post with the screenshot of this compensation was posted here at 12 minutes past midnight European time. 1.5 hours before I posted that screenshot, your very own super honest Goran Mandic posted this to Facebook as proof of payment and what it was used for:
https://gyazo.com/a058c79c5c0b12365ae94561851c39ee

OOPS, how did he get that screenshot of Brian saying we are to receive compensation for breach of contract when you say you never knew about it until I posted it 1.5 hours later? MAGIC!!! you guys have a time travel machine? Always honest? Always honorable? Just sometimes not on the same page I'm guessing...



You also claim we should have given Zufo an exact number. Well, guess what? We did:
https://gyazo.com/3862faf63ff46189c51ee0a70a64457f

We asked for a total of 7600$. 10% of estimated yearly profits for all the coaching and mentoring we provided that he is taking with him and ending our contract early - it's very reasonable. And we even offered monthly payments to cover some of that. He could have countered with a different offer, but he never did. When we were told we are getting our money we included a reminder about that compensation. So, by now he had tons of opportunity to say wait I don’t understand or what is this, but he never did. Why? Well because it was extensively discussed on several calls and super obvious to everyone involved.



Now let’s talk about your other selective memory:
You say we should have engaged in a conversation with you: News flash - we did.
We contacted Mandza and he was not only told about the existing contract that Zufo agreed to, but he was also given the contract with its exact language yet refused to acknowledge any relationship between Zufo and us. Again, I'm providing screenshots.

https://gyazo.com/c61e790fc2850df9382c97574ff0651c
https://gyazo.com/711dafa2a2594116db71fdc7a38476e4
https://gyazo.com/43b3f2e4b88039c2da5cffad6fb8c378


He implied Brian was a liar and that Brian just made the contract up. Despite the contract saying otherwise, he is saying Zufo can walk away anytime he wants. So much for integrity and honoring contracts, because he just encouraged a horse to BREAK a contract - when he would blacklist any of his players who broke his rules. Anyone else finding this sketchy?



Now you want to present Zufo as someone who isn't capable of speaking and understanding English? How will he coach your non-Croatian speaking players in the future? Probably didn't think about that, did you? That's because his English is FINE. He understands everything. Good try.

By the way, we have two more native Croatian speakers on our team and they were available for any translations should such be needed. But Zufo was with us since February 2018 and never once made any comment of being in need of a translator. In fact, he offered to translate from English to Croatian when we signed another player ACO_Zeko, whom I’m sure you know.
So, let’s make it clear that Zufo speaks English quite well.



Again, seems like you're just picking whatever fits your needs at any given moment and finding excuses that we can immediately counter with FACTS. You keep getting check-raised and folding essentially. You have nothing - you guys are in the wrong and that's just it.


So, no you didn’t think it was over after you send us our bankrolls that were in Zufo’s accounts and a little bit of Makeup, you just thought you gonna get away with your bull****.


Is it clear that we aren't happy about it? No S H I T!!! Captain obvious over there - would this be ok if we were IRL friends? Or is it only OK because we are strangers? Tell us about your thoughts on this - please – let’s hear all about how much integrity you have and how much of a valued member of our community you are - right after you admit you are stealing players from OTHER valued members of our community.


You say you believe we are wrong, well believe all you want. It’s not our problem messages were not received by your brains as you say, because they were clearly received by your computers. It just so happens that everybody that has anything to say at LFG seems to have a selective memory and only reads and remembers what they want and what is good for them and just blending all the facts out that point to a different conclusion.

You also say that you weren't part of conversations, well how freakin convenient. You weren't part of it because you chose to not be part of it. Yet even though you weren't there we have provided you all the information you needed to handle this in a reputable and honorable manner. Yet you chose the exact opposite and continue to choose the exact opposite. A real impressive display of management - NOT.


You admit you approached Zufo in September yet at no time you contacted us about it. Want to know how we handle getting players from other stables. Beginning of 2018 we identified a player that seemed like a good fit. We asked him if he was interested in working with us, he said yes but that he is under contract with someone else. Before going any further, we asked who is backing him and asked for contact information. We contacted that backer and asked if he was interested in discussing releasing that player. We negotiated an amount that both sides were happy with and then finalized the agreement with the player after everything was set with the backer. We controlled the process we made sure the other party doesn’t feel scammed or run over. So maybe our expectations for someone reputable are a bit high and you not only can’t live up to those, but you don’t even come anywhere close.


You just conveniently state oh we didn’t know. Oh, he didn’t tell us, oh you didn’t tell us. It’s everybody’s fault but yours eh?


Yet when someone else does something you don’t like, for example not pay 50$ in currency exchange fees, you go on full blast mode on Disputes on 2+2 and destroy the guys' reputation for 50$. So, I am quite confused about how you can have two sets of standards to act by. One for you and one for everybody else? Pretty hypocrite, isn't it?



Summing this up, I think it’s time to get your facts together if you need help let me know I can provide you any screenshot of whatever you want. It's all here and for everybody to see.


You want our apologies and want us to remove facts from the internet? Then make things right!
We can do this publicly or we can do this privately and let the results be known to the public afterward. I’m available for any medium you choose. You got my skype information, you got my email. Fix it, boys, put your heads together and fix it. You are super smart HIGH STAKES players - I have faith you can find a solution and make everyone happy unless of course, you aren’t so reputable after all.

@LFG if you think if someone didnt understand something why dont you just ask for your money back and let the guy play on turbokings for 6 more months.
That should be the easiest way possible to resolve this( you are clearly not looking into this as an option since this situation is +EV for you) .....and if he has been part of turbokings for several months then he understands english perfectly so cut the bull**** and move on.

Hello TurboKings and all readers,

We posted that just as of today, (3 hours ago!!!!) https://gyazo.com/a058c79c5c0b12365ae94561851c39ee

these written dates come from November 8th. I have no clue what point you're trying to prove here. All of these arrangements, your attack via social media has come as of less then 24 hours ago, this is when we started getting into this space, getting the information and going from here. Look, it is a lot to digest when we feel we haven't done anything wrong and are the ones who are guilty until proven innocent this is not a nice feeling.

You are attacking us, our character personally, you are attacking our company, and you are consistently repeating things on these specific dates.

Did we ever say yes to the 3.6k compensation (300$fee a month)?
Did Zufo ever say we agreed to it and how he was going to handle this payment?
This is something that we aren't aware of.

We are a team, you would think a 3.6k extra compensation would be something as a business we could care about especially since we're a young company trying to get our feet off the ground. You think in our head we said "well ok so the numbers are about MU+BUYOUT we settle this, and its over" yup even though it shows through the chat log there's proof of 300$ settlement we can deny it. You say we are smart high stakes player, man.. you sure as hell must be insane if you believe that we'd be able to pull a maneuveur to trick the general public and stitch you out of a 300$ installment payment. This is like trying to bluff when someone can see our hole cards... you are very crazy.

WE DIDN'T SEE it. WE had no clue about the settlements agreement of 300$ installment payments.

We also didn't know about this : https://gyazo.com/3862faf63ff46189c51ee0a70a64457f

This is the first time we've heard about a compensation like this, and also a shock to us.

Zufo said to us even today that he did not understand what did they talk about, And after I sent money he didn’t contact him for while. They removed Zufo from TurboKings Group once I sent money, and didn’t contact him till today.

Regards,

LFG

Hello Isildur,

We are open to discussions for this actually and was something that crossed our mind. This is all brand new to us, this is about as new as knowing that your long term girlfriend went around ****ing every guy. We don't know what to do and we are trying to figure out how to settle the situation on good terms. It seems like this was over a simple 3.6k$ settlement, instead of posting this on social media, youtube, whatever it would be great if Bfizz just said "hey where's our 300$ settlement". Of course we would have been lost and not understood, but we'd be able to discuss and try to come to a resolution instead of all of these things appearing to us.

Simple facts, this is what we knew:
1) Zufo told us this and he wanted to come over
2) We payed MU in full what they asked from Zufo
3) TK removed him from chat and didn’t contact after payments are sent.
4) Last coaching zufo had in that group after we paid, and that was it from them.

To be super clear here - are you saying that you don't think there is anything wrong with poaching players from other stables when you are well aware of their existing contract with another reputable stable who has done right by the player the whole way? Are you endorsing this behavior? Yes or no.

Hi Bfizz,

This is running around in circles so I'll repeat what Hans said above:
We won't deny that we approached Zufo in September. Croatia it's a super small country(4mil people) which also means there is a small poker community so we naturally we heard about zufo. We approached him since we we're starting out in the Croatian community and people mostly in the Balkan circuit. We gave him an offer what we had and what we're offering and he refused us because of Mastermind program with TurboKings. We part ways and then zufo contacted mandza and asked to join.

To sum it up:
We set our offer, we found out he was with you guys, we parted ways.

Zufo later contacted Mandza and asked to join us. He initiated the force leave (that you guys sadly obliged with), then said transaction happened about settlements. And here we are

We are not endorsing poaching, we thought he wanted to leave we agreed to a buy out + paying make up (we didn't know about the 300$ installments) and thought everyone was going to be happy. We can clearly see now that you are not.


****mostly a semi-related topic, just thoughts about improving the staking system for stable owners, and ourselves**** Don't read below if you like drama.

However even though we are rookies to this staking, I do suggest you write a termination fee on your contract (we do that with ours we charge a $1000 termination fee), as things like verbal are hard to quantify putting things to facts and money helps set things to standards.

In fact after this whole ordeal I think we're going to change the system of the termination fee somehow to change it as ladders.

For example first month termination 2.5k USD, 2nd month 2k etc; that way when they commit more with us our rewards come towards the later chapter there terms for breaking the contract gets lighter. This can help protect yourself more as a company.

One example (I'm going on a tangent here), but we got exploited since we terminated the contract so the horse could keep our money, we didn't report him because he out classed us and was right in legal terms. He says he will give us the money anyway, this was over a month ago.

Regards,

LFG

But you poached Zufo off me? Sooooo...? Mandza knew he was under contract and that I did not want to let him go for any reason. And then ... YOU POACHED HIM.

So you do endorse that behavior, right?