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Old 02-16-2009, 03:43 AM   #1
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Old 02-16-2009, 03:46 AM   #2
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Old 02-27-2009, 09:40 PM   #3
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2+2 name: French_Kido
FTP name: meeeandzoloft
AIM name: meeeandzoloft
MSN name: adamselley10@hotmail.com
Other email address he may be using: studman_10@hotmail.co.uk
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Old 03-01-2009, 11:03 AM   #4
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2+2 name: French_Kido
FTP name: meeeandzoloft
AIM name: meeeandzoloft
MSN name: adamselley10@hotmail.com
Other email address he may be using: studman_10@hotmail.co.uk
explanation on what he did dont just throw names like that.

Is he a scammer or just a bad backer?
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Old 03-01-2009, 03:43 PM   #5
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explanation on what he did dont just throw names like that.

Is he a scammer or just a bad backer?
he scammed for over 1k there is a thread about it
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Old 03-02-2009, 08:42 PM   #6
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got staked by JarvisLA for a couple months. jan. was slow in terms of hand volume I could put in but Feb. was much better. he was very good and understanding; trust was definitely there. would recommend him if you are a winner at 50NL needing to get back to that level
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Old 03-07-2009, 04:46 PM   #7
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CybrPunk is a scammer, he is CybrPunk on stars, his real name is Sean Winn. We agreed to a 40k hand stake which included 2 coaching sessions from me. I staked him for 2k and after about 20k hands and 1 coaching session he has stopped messaging me on MSN and changed his email addresses and stuff. I have not been able to contact him for more than a week at this point. Gobbo has also tried contacting him (knew him better than I did) and he has still not responded.
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Old 03-08-2009, 06:50 PM   #8
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Scammers:

Stephen Wright
ICallUWould (UB)
snwright@vt.edu
:: Disappeared with stake funding.

Michael van Beek
michael19861986 (AIM)
skaffaNL (Stars)
MICHAELVB (Everest)
michael_1337@hotmail.com
:: After playing a reasonable amount of hands, disappeared with stake money+profits.

Feel free to contact me via PM for more details.
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Old 03-09-2009, 03:46 PM   #9
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Scammers:

Drake Espenlaub
Twoplustwo: Akshin
AIM: rebel6543
Email: drake.espenlaub@gmail.com
- Full Tilt: Drake Esplenaub
- Full Tilt: Usi34
- Full Tilt: Not Da Mama
:: After playing a reasonable amount of hands, disappeared with stake money+profits.

Jeff Bertrees*
Twoplustwo: Recess
- Pokerstars THEE_LIONN
- Ultimate Bet I_LOVE_LUCYY
:: Told me he lost the stake, provided no HandHistories when requested, table ratings suggests he played higher stakes and lost. *No communication, so can't be 100% sure.

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Old 03-19-2009, 10:57 AM   #10
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Theyaremine on 2+2 is NOT suitable for staking. Staked him 1K for low sng's, within a few days had played a $400 heads up, with a $800 bankroll.
He says he went on tilt, and is trying to pay me back which is cool of him. I'll update if he does or not.
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Old 03-23-2009, 08:55 AM   #11
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Theyaremine on 2+2 is NOT suitable for staking. Staked him 1K for low sng's, within a few days had played a $400 heads up, with a $800 bankroll.
He says he went on tilt, and is trying to pay me back which is cool of him. I'll update if he does or not.
I was going to stake theyaremine for the 5.40 DON's but something felt off about his story, along with his reluctance to give me any personal info at all. The conversation we had on aim sent warning bells of as well.

I can't vouch for his character but something felt off about him to me.

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Old 03-23-2009, 09:04 AM   #12
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2p2: Gooka123456
Stars: Iownjoshsil

lost contact with him after he went into makeup, then disappeared with stake funds and dodged me on aim/2p2/email
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Old 03-23-2009, 06:31 PM   #13
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2p2: KingofJ
Stars: xhopz

disappeared with stake funding ($800) and wouldn't respond to messages. pm for more info if needed.
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Old 03-29-2009, 04:42 PM   #14
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Irishander (FTP)
TransXualitY (FTP)
Factionality (Stars)

Known beggar and scammer and has been active on this site as well as several others. He's ban on site.
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Old 04-15-2009, 04:26 PM   #15
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Kotfrass on stars
Fenrisulfur on 2p2

gave him $100 for a 45 man stake (this 100 wasnt his whole BR, i would reload if he needed it), and promptly lost 60 of it than didnt respond to me on AIM or by PM. he is still playing micro 45 mans and hasnt talked to me on AIM since.

pm me if you want to see AIM convo's or anything else
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Old 04-17-2009, 11:38 PM   #16
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2p2: Gooka123456
Stars: Iownjoshsil

lost contact with him after he went into makeup, then disappeared with stake funds and dodged me on aim/2p2/email
This guy is a ****** and scammed me out of 100 bucks...he wanted an xfer and i swear i've talked to him b4. Well I had to leave nd he said he shipped...so I just shipped the 100 (insignifcant but yeah). Turns out he said he was shipping from an acct not even his (it was his friends who he's also scammed)
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Old 05-03-2009, 12:11 PM   #17
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MrAction3 (2p2)

Our discussion about a stake never got off the ground due to red flags all over the place. He has listed multiple screennames on the forum (see his post in p2p thread). During conversations with him on AIM, he made these two highly suspect claims:

1) That he plays 500nl live, and that he has accumulated 20k in winnings.
2) That he needs the stake b/c his deposits are all declined at FTP and Stars, and that these sites haven't been able to help him deposit successfully.

So despite his claims that he's a winning 500nl player, he's been seeking a low-limit HU SNG stake on the forum, and offering 75% of winnings to the backer. Requests for identification, screenshots of cashier page, or copies of emails from poker room support staff were declined by MrAction3.

2p2: MrAction3
FTP: MrAction3
FTP: H1GH R1SK
Stars: MrAction1
Stars: YoungGun888
Cake: H1GHR1SK

NOTE: I took a cursory look and banned MrAction3, I stopped after seeing the two Stars accounts. All of that drama is a bit much for a guy with 12 posts. And yes these are a lot of red flags. I didn't even bother with IP or Google -Gonso

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Old 05-03-2009, 08:56 PM   #18
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2p2 Lurker Anon.
FTP: Busto Degen

scammed me for 2k.
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Old 05-09-2009, 07:05 AM   #19
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Im currently looking to get staked, so poker1234@live.co.uk added me on MSN

"Dave säger:
right, heres the deal. send $50 to Word2YourMum and then i will send $550 to you, but.......for trusting him he will put you into the sunday mill for free on a 50/50 stake as a gesture of goodwill"


I then told him it doesnt work to send money to him, and he reply:
Dave säger:
He has sent money to it and it has worked, he said try this account instead: jonf


End of story:
Stars: jonf
Stars: Word2YourMum
= Scammers

and save yourself time and dont talk to poker1234@live.co.uk
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Old 05-13-2009, 04:21 PM   #20
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staked this guy named Cory, he's now banned on here, but before i knew, he posted screenshots/graphs of another 2p2er and claimed they were his proving he was a solid winner, so i staked him for 50nl, needless to say he ran through the money pretty quick, so he didn't just take the money and run, but he's def not trustworthy

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Old 05-17-2009, 10:43 PM   #21
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Do not stake :

TrulyRand0m on FTP and Stars.

He quit me at his highest makeup point with these exact words, from a mail he sent me :

"I want to be able to play $12 180s or $26 90 mans or $11 MTTs on my own, and it's hard to find the motivation to play them under the stake since I'd literally have to win 3 $12 180s in a row to ALMOST get out of makeup."
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Old 05-18-2009, 10:48 AM   #22
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Do not stake :

TrulyRand0m on FTP and Stars.

He quit me at his highest makeup point with these exact words, from a mail he sent me :

"I want to be able to play $12 180s or $26 90 mans or $11 MTTs on my own, and it's hard to find the motivation to play them under the stake since I'd literally have to win 3 $12 180s in a row to ALMOST get out of makeup."
Not cool.

He won you a bunch of money, and you still changed the terms of the agreement multiple times to make him play lower and lower as his makeup got higher and higher. Imagine if you were playing 55s and got in makeup for 1800 and got forced to play 11s and lower. How motivated would YOU be to play? I don't know a single backer that:

A) Lowers their horses buyins when they get deep in makeup and offers no kind of deal to keep them motivated AND
B)Changes terms on the fly multiple times in the absolute worst possible way for the horse because your OTHER horses are tanking AND
C) TRIES TO GET THEM TO PAY THEIR MAKEUP after you do all this crap to him because he wants to quit you for treating him like this. Here's a hint: giving someone money to play with that you expect to be paid back is not a STAKE. It is a LOAN. You accepted risk when you decided to start staking. You do NOT get makeup paid out of pocket, period (unless he did something like roll on you or play outside the terms of the stake, which you changed multiple times but he still stayed within your bounds), and to think otherwise is ridiculous.

A "Do Not Stake" is extremely serious and I don't think you understand the gravity of it being out there. Another thing to note is I'm pretty sure he won you about 5k over the term of the stake and is in makeup for 1800 or so at the moment, which give you a net win off him of ~3200. Talk to ANY person that backs people and give them all the details of how you've treated him and see if they don't laugh in your face. I'm almost certain you just don't understand the variance of being a staker and how to deal with your horses, and to drag his name through the mud after all of the junk you've done is just lower than low.

And btw, quoting ONE line from an email just to make someone look scammy is scammy in and of itself.

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Old 05-18-2009, 11:17 AM   #23
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Not cool.

He won you a bunch of money, and you still changed the terms of the agreement multiple times to make him play lower and lower as his makeup got higher and higher. Imagine if you were playing 55s and got in makeup for 1800 and got forced to play 11s and lower. How motivated would YOU be to play? I don't know a single backer that:

A) Lowers their horses buyins when they get deep in makeup and offers no kind of deal to keep them motivated AND
B)Changes terms on the fly multiple times in the absolute worst possible way for the horse because your OTHER horses are tanking AND
C) TRIES TO GET THEM TO PAY THEIR MAKEUP after you do all this crap to him because he wants to quit you for treating him like this. Here's a hint: giving someone money to play with that you expect to be paid back is not a STAKE. It is a LOAN. You accepted risk when you decided to start staking. You do NOT get makeup paid out of pocket, period (unless he did something like roll on you or play outside the terms of the stake, which you changed multiple times but he still stayed within your bounds), and to think otherwise is ridiculous.

A "Do Not Stake" is extremely serious and I don't think you understand the gravity of it being out there. Another thing to note is I'm pretty sure he won you about 5k over the term of the stake and is in makeup for 1800 or so at the moment, which give you a net win off him of ~3200. Talk to ANY person that backs people and give them all the details of how you've treated him and see if they don't laugh in your face. I'm almost certain you just don't understand the variance of being a staker and how to deal with your horses, and to drag his name through the mud after all of the junk you've done is just lower than low.

And btw, quoting ONE line from an email just to make someone look scammy is scammy in and of itself.
+1

I am personal friends with Jon (TrulyRand0m) and the terms you both agreed to at the beginning of the stake had been changed multiple times by YOU, in order benefit YOURSELF. If you cannot handle the risk in staking, which it is clear you cannot, you shouldn't be in the business. "Punishing" a profitable horse to play lower because your other horses are not profitable is counter-intuitive.

Not once did Jon ever deviate from your terms, even when you insisted he play lower and lower as his make up grew. As far as I know, simply because you are the backer does not give you the right to change the ORIGINAL AGREEMENT on the fly, simply because you feel you can.

Jon never agreed to play $11s and under ONLY. You are forcing him to play said tournaments, and by changing the original agreement you BROKE the terms of the stake. IMO, Jon put up with your **** way too long. I'm pretty sure if you ask any backer if they can arbitrarily change the agreement they would not only say no, but laugh at you for your naivete.
 
Old 05-18-2009, 11:35 AM   #24
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Not cool.

He won you a bunch of money, and you still changed the terms of the agreement multiple times to make him play lower and lower as his makeup got higher and higher. Imagine if you were playing 55s and got in makeup for 1800 and got forced to play 11s and lower. How motivated would YOU be to play? I don't know a single backer that:

A) Lowers their horses buyins when they get deep in makeup and offers no kind of deal to keep them motivated AND
B)Changes terms on the fly multiple times in the absolute worst possible way for the horse because your OTHER horses are tanking AND
C) TRIES TO GET THEM TO PAY THEIR MAKEUP after you do all this crap to him because he wants to quit you for treating him like this. Here's a hint: giving someone money to play with that you expect to be paid back is not a STAKE. It is a LOAN. You accepted risk when you decided to start staking. You do NOT get makeup paid out of pocket, period (unless he did something like roll on you or play outside the terms of the stake, which you changed multiple times but he still stayed within your bounds), and to think otherwise is ridiculous.

A "Do Not Stake" is extremely serious and I don't think you understand the gravity of it being out there. Another thing to note is I'm pretty sure he won you about 5k over the term of the stake and is in makeup for 1800 or so at the moment, which give you a net win off him of ~3200. Talk to ANY person that backs people and give them all the details of how you've treated him and see if they don't laugh in your face. I'm almost certain you just don't understand the variance of being a staker and how to deal with your horses, and to drag his name through the mud after all of the junk you've done is just lower than low.

And btw, quoting ONE line from an email just to make someone look scammy is scammy in and of itself.
A) The deal was to follow standard BR management. I reloaded him multiple times to his normal buy in before requesting the temporary move down. (I insist on temporary, I had obviously no plan on letting the horse play smaller forever).

B) The numbers you throw are waaaaaaay off, the stake ended basically break even overall.

C) I have staked for over 40K $ (40K points on parttimepoker) and never had one single issue with a horse. I fully understand the variance involved in staking by now.

The truth is the horse quit at his highest makeup point because he had no desire to grind it back.
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Old 05-18-2009, 12:30 PM   #25
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A) The deal was to follow standard BR management. I reloaded him multiple times to his normal buy in before requesting the temporary move down. (I insist on temporary, I had obviously no plan on letting the horse play smaller forever).

B) The numbers you throw are waaaaaaay off, the stake ended basically break even overall.

C) I have staked for over 40K $ (40K points on parttimepoker) and never had one single issue with a horse. I fully understand the variance involved in staking by now.

The truth is the horse quit at his highest makeup point because he had no desire to grind it back.
A) I highly doubt this drop was "temporary." I'm pretty sure when you say "temporary," you mean until he's out of makeup. Which I guess is okay, but come on; the makeup after you lowered him is well over 150 buyins. That's a lottt to grind back up without some kind of deal to help the horse stay motivated. If anything, the ending of this stake is both of your faults.

B) I apologize if the figures I have are off, I admit I haven't heard figures in a while.

C) I think when you say "I understand variance in backing," you mean "I've downswonged at backing before, so I understand I can lose." What you really have to understand is, you can't blame your horse when they're in makeup at a buyin level they are winners at, then you drop them to a level where you've basically either quintupled (55s to 11s) or more than doubled (26s to 11s) their makeup. Put yourself in his shoes. Is it really fair?

I don't mean any affront on you personally at all, you're a great and really nice guy. Don't take anything I'm saying here on an offensive level. I just know this situation should never have resulted in DNS'ing Jon. DNS orders are reserved for people that roll on stakes or play higher than the agreement or have blocked communication with backers or other serious offenses. Jon has acted amicably towards you at every opportunity afaik, and DNS orders are very serious, as in this game we have nothing but our reputation, and black marks should be duly deserved.
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