Is WSOP going to have a May SNG leaderboard promotion in NJ? In the weeks that they run the promotion, I usually play 300-400 SNG. I know of 2 other players that seem to play 500-1000 SNG each week, when they run the SNG promotion. Hopefully, they will continue to run this promotion.


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Did you try going to the April SNG leaderboard page and replacing the "APR" with "MAY" in the URL? On the Nevada promo page that takes you to the May SNG Leaderboard info, even though it isn't linked yet.

Good idea Witcolumn. Here is the link to May NJ SNG:

http://www.wsop.com/promotions/may-s.../NJ/?playnow=1

Management lowered the amount of this promotion.

Not exactly the best time to be doing more cuts, other websites now have leaderboards worth more.

I cashed out a decent sum on there and saw the leaderboard go down on that day, and now again once I talked to support about my withdrawal. Possibly played a factor?!!

If WSOP does not have enough funds for these leaderboards I am willing to cancel my withdrawal. WSOP Bill or anyone else in support, please let me know. I will reverse my withdrawal if it means having the same leaderboard payouts.

Dough4Hoes: I don't know for a fact, but it's highly unlikely that your withdrawal request is caused WSOP NJ management to reduce the amount of money dedicated to this promotion. They probably just decided that the money would be better spent elsewhere, or that it wasn't a profitable promotion. However, the lower the promotion, the less people are going to play SNG.

Yeah, it is highly unlikely but possible. The day I cashed out the leaderboard was reduced, couple days later it goes back to original leaderboard payouts, and then I talk to support about my withdrawal the night before they make these changes.

I do not want to go into too many details, but most of $$$ was won off of overlays, the SNG leaderboards, and bonuses. Might have irked someone there.

Dough4Hoes,

I have been playing on WSOP NJ for about a year, and I've been playing online poker since 2007. Some of my winnings have also come from SNG leaderboards & other bonuses including a deposit bonus.

Rest assured, they are still making money off of your play. They collect rake on every SNG, MTT, & Cash Hand that you play. Plus, your play helps keep the Cash Tables going, helps SNG fill up, and helps MTT meet guarantee thresholds. Your play, gives other players someone to play against. All of which helps them collect the rake.

And, because there is such a limited player pool in NJ, management considers each player to be a valued asset. For whatever reason, the SNG leaderboard promotion is smaller in May then it was in April. The last time they reduced the promotion was at the end of December. From January - April, the SNG leaderboards were reduced, but still somewhat generous.

Now, the prizes are so low, I don't know if it pays to play very many SNG against Bballwiz & Phatdaddy. In theory, any losses to those 2 players should be offset by hands played against the rest of the player pool, & by money won in the SNG promotion.

Just curious, do these two players seem to run really well against you, and against the rest of the player pool? I use a HUD, and I know for a fact that Bballwiz uses a HUD,(I have seen his posts requesting information about HUD in NJ) & I'm fairly sure that Phatdaddy does as well, based on his play & his stats. So they shouldn't really have a substantial statistical advantage. It just seems that Bballwiz catches the cards he needs to win. If I get it in with KQ vs his A10, the KQ never catches up. If he has the KQ vs my A10, he almost always catches the cards he needs to win.

Congrats on putting your name in the running for almost as delusional as the previous poster.

I'd like to think that I'm far more delusional then the previous poster. I wouldn't have to be this delusional if I ran as good as Bballwiz.

Haha, there are good reasons for believing the cashout played a factor. I said it could have played a small factor in them making the changes. I'm not going into all the details... but there are a few reasons why it could have played a factor.

Nah, my only concern in these SNGs is cheating and collusion. I think WSOP has to do a better job of identifying cheaters and people that are playing with each other. There are some players who I suspect collude in these SNGs... but nothing has happened to their accounts.



It really is pointless to play these SNGs against Phatdaddy and Bballwiz. They will put in all the volume and hours.(even though POY really comes down to Event #64). It will be very hard to put in a high amount of volume, make a profit, and place a top 2 spot in the leaderboard.




I really think POY was the downfall of the leaderboards.

You have to look at things based on probability and what's possible. It is very improbable that your withdrawal played any role in management's decision to reduce the SNG promotion in May. I doubt you have evidence indicating otherwise. Why do you think your withdrawal is somehow linked to the reduction of the SNG promotion?

With respect to SNG & collusion, my understanding is that management uses sophisticated software to detect it, and that those players are removed from the player pool & could face criminal prosecution. I would suggest that if you see something, say something.

With respect to Bballwiz, he is the best tournament player on the site. He plays the most SNG, He has the most POY points, & he plays a very optimal strategy. He plays 10-15 tournaments at a time, almost always getting it in, in very good situations, time and again. And whenever he gets into a race or a 60/40 situation, he sprinkles a little pixie dust and he takes down the pot.

For what it's worth, I like POY. I'm in 3rd place, which is great. The problem is that they are only paying one spot. Bballwiz & Phatdaddy are the only players with a realistic chance of winning. But that's how it goes, and I'm ok with it.

I do not use a hud. And Bballwiz runs like god vs me as well. I'm also not certain that my play and stats suggest that i use a HUD. I think i'm getting crushed in all the 25 and 50 dollar sngs.

Anyways, these allergies are killing me and i haven't been able to get the energy to play for a week now. I'll see you at the tables soon tho Trix. gl.

I'd love to see physical evidence that bball runs like god rather then all of the lol-anecdotal evidence provided...

Lol at Doug thinking his withdrawal single handedly lowered sng leader board payout structure (no dude, not a chance even if you cashed out 6 figures)

This thread is turning into delusional poster central.

The competitors site now has 3x the traffic that wsop sngs have. The sng action on wsop has dropped off immensely since the leaderboard cutbacks. With competitors now offering leaderboards every month, I think it's time to reconsider the cuts and fix things before you lose the majority share of the market permanently.

I hear you Phatdaddy. I'm sure you'll be back & that you'll be giving all of us lessons very soon. I actually disconnected the HUD(this past Saturday) because it was slowing me down, and I ended up having my best day since February on Sunday. It just helps a little bit, sometimes by giving the player additional information. I don't know if I would have made more or less with or without the HUD. It might confirm that one player at the table is playing too recklessly or another is playing too snug.

I agree 100% with Bballwiz that WSOP NJ should restore the SNG promotion at least to it's January-April levels, if not higher. Otherwise, it looks like SNG traffic will just keep fading away.

Most hardcore SNG players on the site seem to think Bballwiz tends to run better then the rest of the player pool. There is no statistical evidence to prove this. It doesn't make it untrue, just unsubstantiated.

Dough4Hoes's cashout is NOT related to the reduced SNG promotion. It's a bizarre hypothesis.

Did I ever say single handily?!! I said it could have played a small factor. I do not want to go into the details, but I feel my cashouts could have played a factor. The timing of my cashouts/ contact with support was the same as the leader board fluctuating down, up, and down again. Honestly I think I pissed off someone at support and it could have played a factor.

Anyways it was probably a coincidence. We need WSOPBill to address SNG concerns. Colette has much better Customer Service skills than Bill.

yes, you're right, you never said single handedly... your cashout obv could have played some small factor in a company changing a payout structure... but lets not even look at the fact that said company is owned my a multinational conglomerate that could buy and sell your net worth probably 10 million times over without even thinking about it...

but you dont want to go into more details so no one will ever know (for some strange reason you've mentioned that like 5 times now)

I don't feel like getting in a flaming war. Based on the past year it is possible that my multiple cashouts/way I played the leaderboard was a factor. Once again it could have only been a .05 chance, but still a possibility.

WSOP NJ's management of the SNG Leaderboard promotion sort of resembles water circling the drain. They start a generous promotion in hopes of drumming up action. After a few months, they realize that the promotion isn't paying for itself, so they reduce the promotion. The reduced promotion results in reduced revenue, so they reduce it a second and then a third time. Each time they reduce the prizes, revenue is also reduced. It resembles a negative feedback loop.

At the beginning of this month, they reduced the promotion for the fourth time in 12 months. Inevitably, less SNG will run, and less rake will be generated. Hopefully, they will see that the competition has two interesting monthly tournament leaderboards. Hopefully, WSOP NJ will decide to restore The SNG Leaderboard promotion to what it was in December 2014.

In the end, many players may decide to play less, and perhaps check out the competition. Or if you're like me you might smoke a few bowls, head out to the beach, read a good book, and check out the babes wearing bikini's.

your cashout definitely made the leaderboard lower, they hate when the same person wins!!

In prior months, WSOP NJ paid out weekly SNG leaderboard money into players accounts on Mondays. It's didn't happen yesterday (Monday). Hopefully they will payout the weekly SNG leaderboard money on Tuesday. I guess we'll see.

Now kids lets play nice

Bballwiz phatdaddy and trix1969 are imo the top most active sng players in jersey.
However bballwiz does run amazingly better Imo from the games I have seen him in. It's obviously a factor of making good decisions and running good at the right time. But I have knocked him out before! He is beatable. Bballwiz from what I understand if I did my homework right has been at this sng thing for a long time now. He ran a very large staking operation as well.

I will never forget this post.