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10-28-2010 , 05:32 AM

#24601

Unguarded

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 5,738

Quote:

Originally Posted by WadsUp

I would love to see how everyone else would do while 10-12 tabling 3/6 six max

You're right as usual. I'm just jealous.

10-28-2010 , 05:36 AM

#24602

dragon1893

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wadsup = wadsulator?

10-28-2010 , 06:18 AM

#24603

WadsUp

newbie

Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tirppa

around 140k is quite the round up. The max value being 135,8k. I'm guessing people will automatically mincash at WCOOP and whatever live donkament they choose to play?

Or you're counting that these grinders showing no tournament statistics what so ever and PTR graph of -100k will be able to sell 50% of the tournament buyins?

probably poorly.. what's your point? :P

135,8k is the max for hitting 1million vpps exactly, alot of snes earn more cash bonuses.

My point is that people want to laugh at alot of the sne grinders graphs without realizing what these players actually earn in a year. PTR should find out the real % of rake these players earn and include that right into the graph and the BB/100, then noone will be laughing.

10-28-2010 , 06:23 AM

#24604

Unguarded

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I'm still laughing at you.

10-28-2010 , 06:27 AM

#24605

kikadell

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Unguarded

I'm still laughing at you.

Last edited by kikadell; 10-28-2010 at 06:29 AM. Reason: its not coincidence that sne are usually grouchey douchebags

10-28-2010 , 06:41 AM

#24606

Paul Valente

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Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 4,925

regardless of what you make post-rakeback, i'd rather have somone losing pre-rakeback at my table than someone winning.

Last edited by Paul Valente; 10-28-2010 at 06:43 AM. Reason: begin standard rakeback pro argument

10-28-2010 , 07:27 AM

#24607

tw2238

old hand

Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,890

omg its wads. wads keep doing ur thing man playing that many tables winning and getting sne is tough to do.

10-28-2010 , 10:34 AM

#24608

All Apologies

veteran

Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 3,452

Quote:

Originally Posted by WadsUp

I would love to see how everyone else would do while 10-12 tabling 3/6 six max

10-28-2010 , 11:15 AM

#24609

merryber

old hand

Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,362

so how many hours you play in a month?
wouldn't you make the same by playing less tables/hours at the same stakes? (no leveling - honest questions!)
and sorry for being a pain last night, i hate losing so much at 1 session (i guess you are used to it...lol - a bit leveling here though ).

10-28-2010 , 12:20 PM

#24610

wheeldog00

grinder

Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 441

i keep watching the wsop expecting my boy john dolan to bust out, but he never does. still there with 18 to go, gonna be a huge payday, so sick

10-28-2010 , 12:21 PM

#24611

jph0424

old hand

Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,564

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Valente

begin standard rakeback pro argument

I guess it has been a few weeks since our last one so it is time. If we are trying to measure the skill level/quality of a poker player, we must look at the purpose of the game which is to win $$$. The other factor to take into consideration is the amount of time spent. BB/100, pre-rakeback winnings etc don't really matter. What does matter tremendously is total $/hour (assuming solid sample size obv).

Here are some levels that I arbitrarily came up with.
>$0/hr: Winning player
>$20/hr: Pretty good player who could survive as a pro
>$50/hr: Good player
>$100/hr: Excellent player
>$300/hr: World class player

10-28-2010 , 01:10 PM

#24612

Scorcho

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jph0424

this

wads, plz post the result of this formula:

(SNE earnings @ 1M VPPs* - poker losses)
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(hours spent playing * (misery accrued/pi))

thanks

* SNE earnings are hard cash earnings and should not include tourney buy-ins received unless you've already sold some/all of those tourney buy-in shares

also jph's scale is way off beacuse i'm $29/hr at 1/2 and i'm mildly ******ed (depending on whose scale you use)

10-28-2010 , 02:26 PM

#24613

chezlaw

Limey Bastard

Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 47,824

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scorcho

* SNE earnings are hard cash earnings and should not include tourney buy-ins received unless you've already sold some/all of those tourney buy-in shares

Of course tourney buy-ins should be included. As a minimum the two live ones are worth $10k each as we could just take $10k.

Maybe you should include hours spent working on game as well as hours played. They all count.

No idea why you seem to think SNEs suffer more pain than you.

10-28-2010 , 02:43 PM

#24614

DrVanNostrin

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 4,402

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scorcho

(SNE earnings @ 1M VPPs* - poker losses)
-----------------------------------------
(hours spent playing * (misery accrued/pi))

10-28-2010 , 03:05 PM

#24615

ColeW123

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Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 11,934

I guess when it comes down to it, $$/hour makes the most sense.

But if you are a winning, learning player, you have the ability to move up and make more money, thus increasing your $$/hour.

Most SNE players (or so I'm assuming), don't study or learn poker anymore. They just play a **** ton of hands without adjusting to anything. They are never going to get better. They are just going to get worst and lose more since the games will continue to get tougher.

Sure you might make more $$/hour now, but who's to say if you chose the route to become a better player, you won't make more $$/hour down the line?

10-28-2010 , 03:05 PM

#24616

Scorcho

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Quote:

Originally Posted by chezlaw

tourney buy-ins should never count because you haven't cashed in anything yet

i'm talking real-world dollars here. money in your pocket that you can use to sustain and/or improve your life. not sklansky dollars.

i won't go into the pain argument because that's a horse thats been beaten a million times over here and no new viewpoints are suddenly going to emerge here. but if people are going to talk about total $ won you need to account for a misery factor because let's face it -- nobody ever says to themselves "I ****ING LOVE PLAYING POKER 12 HOURS A DAY ALL YEAR" and if they do, they're masochistic

10-28-2010 , 03:09 PM

#24617

Filip

old hand

Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,721

How the hell does kick in you ace spell his nick.... i cant find in my PT db.

10-28-2010 , 03:09 PM

#24618

Paul Valente

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Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 4,925

All i'm saying is i'd rather be playing against MI2 than LaPeste, even if MI2 makes more. I really think Wads is a good player, and if he were playing 4 tables, i wouldnt want him at my table, but when he's playing 12, i dont mind so much.

Last edited by Paul Valente; 10-28-2010 at 03:11 PM. Reason: $$/hr != skill

10-28-2010 , 03:11 PM

#24619

chezlaw

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Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 47,824

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scorcho

That's silly. I don't play the tournaments i just take $20k a year. Even you must count that. if i stick it on the 3:30 at Kempton its still $20k earnings.

Quote:

i won't go into the pain argument because that's a horse thats been beaten a million times over here and no new viewpoints are suddenly going to emerge here. but if people are going to talk about total $ won you need to account for a misery factor because let's face it -- nobody ever says to themselves "I ****ING LOVE PLAYING POKER 12 HOURS A DAY ALL YEAR" and if they do, they're masochistic

nah you've got it the wrong way round. SNE is the easy option for us. The money pours in at a nice steady rate, brain off, music on, beer in, click away and its nowhere near 12 hours a day. Working hard at the game is the painful route I like the idea of doijng it but have far too a comfort level. Far worse of course would be having a real job.

10-28-2010 , 03:13 PM

#24620

Scorcho

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if you take the $20k cash from the tourney buy-ins then yah, add it to the total. I'm just saying you can't count that cash unless you do, that's all. I think I mentioned that initially.

10-28-2010 , 03:17 PM

#24621

tw2238

old hand

Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,890

Quote:

Originally Posted by jph0424

good post. im around $73/hr for the past 13 months. pretty sure you have to win at 10/20+ to get into the pool of excellent players. curious to see if any of the low grinders make more than 100/hr with sne.

10-28-2010 , 03:29 PM

#24622

chezlaw

Limey Bastard

Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 47,824

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scorcho

if you take the $20k cash from the tourney buy-ins then yah, add it to the total. I'm just saying you can't count that cash unless you do, that's all. I think I mentioned that initially.

Okay so if I take the $20 cash and buy my own way into the tournaments then its counts as earnings but if I don't take the cash and let Stars pay my entry as part of a much bigger package then mysteriously it doesn't count as earnings.

Seriously?

10-28-2010 , 03:32 PM

#24623

merryber

old hand

Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,362

what is the 20k$? - what tournaments?
chezlaw how many hours do you play ( i assume it depends on the numbers of tables you play...and stakes but roughly?).
and to tw - wow at your win rate, must admit i envy you

10-28-2010 , 03:33 PM

#24624

La Peste

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who started this anyway?

10-28-2010 , 03:38 PM

#24625

Hood

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Quote:

Originally Posted by chezlaw

That's silly. I don't play the tournaments i just take $20k a year. Even you must count that. if i stick it on the 3:30 at Kempton its still $20k earnings.

nah you've got it the wrong way round. SNE is the easy option for us. The money pours in at a nice steady rate, brain off, music on, beer in, click away and its nowhere near 12 hours a day. Working hard at the game is the painful route I like the idea of doijng it but have far too a comfort level. Far worse of course would be having a real job.

What is your hourly rate?

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