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10-07-2010 , 03:08 PM
a few thousand hands...
10-07-2010 , 10:52 PM
What does AF mean? According to PTR mine is 1.77, is that good?
10-07-2010 , 10:55 PM
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Originally Posted by DrElo
What does AF mean? According to PTR mine is 1.77, is that good?
AF is agression factor. It's (bets+raises)/calls. It's a pretty sucky measure in general. A better measure of aggression is aggression frequency (AFq), which is (bets+raises)/(total non-check actions) in pt3. AFq should be in the mid to high 50's imo.
10-07-2010 , 10:56 PM
Elo, AF stands for Aggression Factor and is essentially the number of times you bet or raise divided by the number of times you call. 1.77 is fine. A better number to use though which normalizes more quickly and is a better indicator of actual aggression is AFq which is short for Agg Frequency. It is essentially the percentage of time you take an agg action.
10-07-2010 , 11:10 PM
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Originally Posted by rockstroh
<mtrebus> you're fold bb to steal seems too high. I'm pretty sure PT3 stat is lower than HEM stat. So defend your bb more.

Thanks, yes I'm trying to get my fold bb to steal down to around 35
10-08-2010 , 05:44 AM
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Originally Posted by jell
To be honnest, I think that my fold to bet on some streets is too high too.
But my WTSD is 39%, which is normal according to the forum standards.

So what to conclude?
But I was talking about the fold to raise, not fold to bet. And if you are folding a lot to raises which is in this case 30% on flop and turn, it is a bit high imo and probably a sign that you are bluffing too much.
Or maybe you are playing weak hands too aggressively and have to fold when someone shows resistance.
10-13-2010 , 03:42 AM
repost from the fr one...

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Originally Posted by sakipdsa
10-13-2010 , 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Leader
AF is agression factor. It's (bets+raises)/calls. It's a pretty sucky measure in general. A better measure of aggression is aggression frequency (AFq), which is (bets+raises)/(total non-check actions) in pt3. AFq should be in the mid to high 50's imo.
mid to high 50's ? high 50's seems very agro. I guess it depends on your general playstyle. I mean, if you are very loose preflop and very showdownbound im sure your AFq can't be close to 60 because that would be essentially a maniac.
10-13-2010 , 02:15 PM
I agree, I think it should be low to mid 50's. Leader are we wrong?
10-13-2010 , 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Dredok
mid to high 50's ? high 50's seems very agro. I guess it depends on your general playstyle. I mean, if you are very loose preflop and very showdownbound im sure your AFq can't be close to 60 because that would be essentially a maniac.
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Originally Posted by La Peste
I agree, I think it should be low to mid 50's. Leader are we wrong?
I think I spew to much sometimes and mine is high 40's, any ideas why it seems so low?
10-13-2010 , 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Dredok
mid to high 50's ? high 50's seems very agro. I guess it depends on your general playstyle. I mean, if you are very loose preflop and very showdownbound im sure your AFq can't be close to 60 because that would be essentially a maniac.
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Originally Posted by La Peste
I agree, I think it should be low to mid 50's. Leader are we wrong?
I've seen examples of guys that make it work with 52-53. Lower then that would be pretty concerning imo. Generally though, I think something higher tends to work better. Of course, this obscures the underlying complexity of why one guy's AFq is 49 and another's is 57, which has a lot to do with how one plays weak made hands esp oop and weak draws/air against wide ranges. Among newer players I think there's a tendency to think that the difference between an agro player and a more passive one is that the agro guy 3b's the turn with TPMK, but that situation comes up fairly rarely as compared to all those times where you defend the BB HU or 3w and flop SP/BP or a GS. If I'm c/r all of those and your not, that's the main difference in our AFq's.
10-14-2010 , 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Leader
I've seen examples of guys that make it work with 52-53. Lower then that would be pretty concerning imo. Generally though, I think something higher tends to work better. Of course, this obscures the underlying complexity of why one guy's AFq is 49 and another's is 57, which has a lot to do with how one plays weak made hands esp oop and weak draws/air against wide ranges. Among newer players I think there's a tendency to think that the difference between an agro player and a more passive one is that the agro guy 3b's the turn with TPMK, but that situation comes up fairly rarely as compared to all those times where you defend the BB HU or 3w and flop SP/BP or a GS. If I'm c/r all of those and your not, that's the main difference in our AFq's.
i should be concerned... dont think i ever was above 50, need to post stats again imo...(soon)
10-15-2010 , 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by All Apologies
I think I spew to much sometimes and mine is high 40's, any ideas why it seems so low?
I haven't bothered to read all posts before so I might be wrong.But it is very rare to see a 2+2:er with an AFQ in the 40:s.Pretty sure those thinking they have such low AFQ are referring to HEM Agg% and not to PT3 AFQ.
10-15-2010 , 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Apanage
I haven't bothered to read all posts before so I might be wrong.But it is very rare to see a 2+2:er with an AFQ in the 40:s.Pretty sure those thinking they have such low AFQ are referring to HEM Agg% and not to PT3 AFQ.
I was referring to HEM, thanks Apanage.
10-15-2010 , 07:35 PM


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guys, i need help
nothing is working right now... im too tight, but there are players as tight as me, but with more success... its tilting my ass off when i see all those morons on my tables with such weird plays but far better ptr stats or smthn... sometimes i think im one of those chosen players to ever lose in poker... does anyone have advice, like articles to read or threads to follow etc free if possible, as you can see i dont have much money
10-16-2010 , 11:05 AM
you know the main thing already: play more hands

you dont need to play 35/30 tomorrow. Just add a couple hands on each position:
if u are used to open ATs+ utg, try adding A9s and A8s etc.
when u get comfortable with that, add more hands.

im not sure but i think your wtsd should be higher. You are close to playing only premium hands, u should have a showdownable hand much more often.
10-16-2010 , 01:07 PM
Leader are you using PT AFq? high 50's seems way too high. I am using HEM. Are they different? Mine is 54% fwiw.
10-16-2010 , 08:11 PM
I use HEM, I believe that pt3 afq filtered for post flop only (total afq, right?) and hem agg% are the same thing

edit: and yes, assuming this is correct, high 50s seems high
10-17-2010 , 12:34 AM
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Originally Posted by La Peste
Leader are you using PT AFq? high 50's seems way too high. I am using HEM. Are they different? Mine is 54% fwiw.
Yes. Ours is about the same then.
10-17-2010 , 07:39 AM
I always assumed the AFq numbers here were based on PT3, because in HEM it's not even called AFq but Agg%

my AFq in PT3 is 53 and in HEM the Agg% is 45

is it time to panic?
10-17-2010 , 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Leader
Yes. Ours is about the same then.
ok!

I was using Agg% also :P
10-17-2010 , 03:24 PM
so it suppose to be around 47-54?
10-22-2010 , 01:59 PM
My win rate over a significant samples size is 4x as high at 5 man than it is at 6man. I basically play the same way at both, when I am playing 5man I am just assuming that the first guy folded.

My WTSD is indentical at both, my question is should it be lower at 6man, than 5 man? Since there are six people in the game, is the winning hand going to be signifcantly better when there are 6 people starting, than 5? I thought this might be a good theory, but when I looked at the biggest winners in my DB, they all had the same WTSD at 5 and 6 man games.
10-22-2010 , 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by topspinner
My win rate over a significant samples size is 4x as high at 5 man than it is at 6man. I basically play the same way at both, when I am playing 5man I am just assuming that the first guy folded.
Unless we're talking about hundreds of thousands of hands (like 300k+) in each sample it's probably variance.

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My WTSD is indentical at both, my question is should it be lower at 6man, than 5 man? Since there are six people in the game, is the winning hand going to be signifcantly better when there are 6 people starting, than 5? I thought this might be a good theory, but when I looked at the biggest winners in my DB, they all had the same WTSD at 5 and 6 man games.
UTG WtSD isn't that much different then the overall average WtSD for most players. So removing UTG won't have that much of an effect.
10-23-2010 , 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Luvstyle


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guys, i need help
nothing is working right now... im too tight, but there are players as tight as me, but with more success... its tilting my ass off when i see all those morons on my tables with such weird plays but far better ptr stats or smthn... sometimes i think im one of those chosen players to ever lose in poker... does anyone have advice, like articles to read or threads to follow etc free if possible, as you can see i dont have much money
You should defend your blinds much more! ~65% fold BB to steal is way too high for 6max. I actually play the same limit as you and have a couple of hands against you and but my fold BB to steal % is at 38...
Same thing for SB defense, try to defend a little more.

      
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