***** Official SSSHLHE Stats Thread ***** - Page 96 - Small Stakes Shorthanded Poker

stoving 65% looks like {any suited, any broadway, any pair, any Ax, 3gappers down to T6o, 2gappers down to 85o, 1gappers down to 64o, connectors down to 54o}. obviously we adjust this depending on who's doing the stealing. hopefully i can develop more of a post flop arsenal such that i can defend 85o and Q8o to a LAGfish who can fold or a tight player who can lay down A high.

last month over 30K hands it looks like i was defending about 55% to a single raiser with no callers. so ive increased it about 4%.

09-03-2010 , 04:22 AM

#2377

MicroGrinder84

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I am trying to get more use out of "call flop cbet" and "call turn cbet" stats.

Has anyone done studies what call flop 50% means? Does it means he floats any? etc etc.

My flop fold vs cbet is 26.6% @ 2/4 and 30 1/2. Am I calling too much?
I am trying to use these CFCBet and CTCbet intelligently.
Can I get a sample of these stats from some of you and plz add your overall perpecption of your flop looseness (i.e. if you are a peeler or a nit etc).

09-03-2010 , 12:11 PM

#2378

La Peste

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ThisKid$Tough

last month over 30K hands it looks like i was defending about 55% to a single raiser with no callers. so ive increased it about 4%.

Yeah do it slowly is my recommendation, you will be playing a lot of marginal hands oop that you are not used to so gradual is probably better.

09-10-2010 , 01:27 AM

#2379

Beep Beep

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These are my stats for the past few weeks since I joined here. Appreciate any advice/criticism.

and I have no idea why I'm such a nit at 1/2

09-10-2010 , 01:44 AM

#2380

reaper6788

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MicroGrinder84

I haven't done too much statistically work with it but I've basically been using it from a fold equity stand point combined with my notes on what they peel. It comes in very handy with fish to help discern when to fire the 2nd barrel.

Basically I look at how often they fold to turn cbet, evaluate the board and consider how big the pot is... i think you need to consider all these aspects rather than just say "his call turn cbet is blah so i check back/ bet"

09-10-2010 , 02:53 AM

#2381

La Peste

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Beep Beep

These are my stats for the past few weeks since I joined here. Appreciate any advice/criticism.

and I have no idea why I'm such a nit at 1/2

too nitty

09-10-2010 , 02:56 AM

#2382

Beep Beep

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I know my 1/2 stats are, what about my .50/1? Am I shooting more for those numbers?

09-10-2010 , 03:03 AM

#2383

La Peste

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well. kind of...3 bet more and showdown more. i don't get what happened here, scared money?

09-10-2010 , 03:16 AM

#2384

Beep Beep

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No not but I think if I started running bad I tightened up quite a bit whenever that happened. That's the only thing I can think of though.

09-10-2010 , 03:18 AM

#2385

La Peste

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26/18 won't get it done going forward, and moving up...you can look back for stats i find better..and if you don't see what i mean pm me.

09-10-2010 , 08:39 AM

#2386

Jack_Sarang

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Beep Beep

These are my stats for the past few weeks since I joined here. Appreciate any advice/criticism.

and I have no idea why I'm such a nit at 1/2

Tighten up UTG and loosen way up in CO and on BTN.

Looks like you're opening QJo and A8o and such UTG. Don't make it harder for yourself playing marginal hands OOP when you're not playing enough hands in position. Also, at 1/2 you're probably facing a lot of open limps which you should be isolating with a wide range.

09-14-2010 , 10:35 AM

#2387

ColeW123

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Is 3-betting 11% too nitty? Should I open up more? If so, where?

09-14-2010 , 11:03 AM

#2388

anfernee

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ColeW123

Is 3-betting 11% too nitty? Should I open up more? If so, where?

late position?

09-14-2010 , 11:05 AM

#2389

ColeW123

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Quote:

Originally Posted by anfernee

late position?

:P, but I'm not trying to 3-bet ATo against a UTG or UTG+1 range.

Do you think since I've been playing primarily .5/1 for the last few months I just don't get in to as many spots where I need to 3-bet? There is much more limping, and a lot less raising.

Last edited by ColeW123; 09-14-2010 at 11:07 AM. Reason: This 11% is from the last few months..

09-14-2010 , 12:39 PM

#2390

Dredok

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ofc it depends on ranges ... but 11% seems too nitty

09-14-2010 , 12:41 PM

#2391

ColeW123

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What's a normal 3-bet %? 13 or 14? What about the reason I stated?

09-14-2010 , 01:45 PM

#2392

shuinthehouse

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limped pots do not affect your 3! %, DUCY?

09-15-2010 , 01:13 PM

#2393

Jack_Sarang

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ColeW123

What's a normal 3-bet %? 13 or 14? What about the reason I stated?

13-14 3bet is spew at 0.5/1. If you have position on 2 loose passive fish with a max PFR of 10-15, consider what their ranges are. You have much fewer options to 3bet with 45%+ equity. In the same situation, the TAGs at the table will be in early position, so again, you'll have fewer options to 3bet.

Your 3bet% should vary widely depending on table conditions. 8%-10% would be good at 0.5/1 given you have a good seat.

09-16-2010 , 11:48 AM

#2394

Verno

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jack_Sarang

Interesting perspective Jack. I have been working on getting my 3! up because I am just over 9% right now. I know I am missing some spots, but I don't see that many more spots that I can profitably 3!. I think I may be missing the mark in the blinds. Generally, I don't like to 3! out of the blinds unless I think it is a steal or I have a premium holding. I know this thinking is flawed.

09-17-2010 , 02:04 AM

#2395

Jack_Sarang

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Verno

I had the same problem and I think it came down to folding my SB too much and just calling in the BB

Often when we're in the blinds a TAG will be in the CO. CO ranges, depending on villain, can be very very wide, so we can profitably 3-bet from the blinds with a decent range. At 1/2-3/6 on Stars many of the mass tabling TAGs have identical ranges for CO and BTN.

By 3 betting hands that you would have folded before in SB or simply flatted in BB, you'll raise your 3bet% by 2-3%.

09-18-2010 , 06:02 PM

#2396

merryber

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jack_Sarang

this is really interesting and i would love to hear some more feedback about this.
lately i found out that players who have high 3! pre flop actually re raising much more from the blinds in steal situations, while i like to flat call my Big blinds and go for a c/r. playing in a laggy style - will 3betting pre will bring better results? i am at about 11.6 in my 3! should i consider a change in my game? (i just think post flop is a much easier play after flat calling...)

09-18-2010 , 06:22 PM

#2397

Dredok

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Quote:

Originally Posted by merryber

merry, if you like to flat your entire range, thats fine. 3betting from the BB against CO / BTN do not have to produce better results

09-18-2010 , 06:37 PM

#2398

Leader

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dredok

merry, if you like to flat your entire range, thats fine. 3betting from the BB against CO / BTN do not have to produce better results

I think this is a good theory, but tends to fail in practice. When an opponent opens a wide range, you should be 3-betting quite a few hands (A5o, 98s, ect.). Of course, these weak hands are going to tend to miss the flop frequently, which causes many players to c/c or c/f instead of c/r. So while I agree that it's possible to make a call-c/r strategy work against wide ranges, I think that most small stakes players would do better simply 3b'ing in those spots.

09-18-2010 , 06:41 PM

#2399

Dredok

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Leader

yeah I have to agree here.

If some loose BTN opens 65% you can not flat-call and hope to hit ... you must start 3betting or fight back on a lot of pots if you just flatcalls the entire range.