My biggest pet peeve of all time is this. I report the regs and multi-table players who are abusive to the looser and less knowledgeable players.

A close second is the guys playing 8 tables who take 15 seconds every time its their action.

C'mon celtics, close this one out!!

i punish pussies

How to end a session. I'm closing up the tables after a tough session and finally hit two flops at the same time. Nice, finally going to win a couple:

Hand #1
Poker Stars $3/$6 Limit Hold'em - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

Pre Flop: (1.333 SB) Hero is MP1 with 5 5
3 folds, Hero raises, 1 fold, CO 3-bets, 3 folds, Hero calls

Flop: (7.333 SB) A 4 5 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets, Hero raises, CO calls

Turn: (5.667 BB) K (2 players)
Hero bets, CO raises, Hero 3-bets, CO calls

River: (11.667 BB) 2 (2 players)
Hero bets, CO raises, Hero calls

Final Pot: 15.667 BB
Hero mucks 5 5
CO shows A J (a flush, Ace high)
CO wins 15.167 BB
(Rake: $3.00)

Hand #2
Poker Stars $3/$6 Limit Hold'em - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

Pre Flop: (1.333 SB) Hero is MP2 with A K
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 raises, 1 fold, Hero 3-bets, 4 folds, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls

Flop: (10.333 SB) T Q J (3 players)
UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls

Turn: (6.667 BB) Q (3 players)
UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 folds

River: (8.667 BB) J (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero checks

Final Pot: 8.667 BB
Hero mucks A K
UTG+1 shows Q 7 (a full house, Queens full of Jacks)
UTG+1 wins 8.333 BB
(Rake: $2.00)

About 0.2% chance I lose both of these from the flop. Good times.

When I said punish, I meant abuse the "leak". I dont enrage when someone limps or someone folds the blinds
I love limpers and I love tight defenders

edit:
I know what you mean and its idd good advice

Heh sorry about positing my whine post in the stats thread. It looks a lot like the NC threads in the lobby, especially a 2:30am. Mods feel free to move.

Sorted by 5 and 6 handed only. For some reason I'm also missing a bunch of hands that never imported...what causes that? I usually just close a table right after I sit out should I be waiting or something?

Bucco. I was gonna start giving advice on your total stats they are for a lot of different limits. Two of close limits like 2/4 and 3/6 would be cool but you have it spread out from very micro to 3/6. The bulk of which is .25/.50 so I'll look at just that. Even though I'm gonna tell you stuff you are doing wrong you are winning so you are obviously doing stuff very right as well. W$SD is high though so you may be running good. I'm no authority but I'll tell you what I think from what I usually try to do.

Play more hands. 22/19 is so nitty. I've been playing 28/22 and I think I'm playing too nitty. Try loosening up your open raising standards everywhere. 3bet more, an example is restealing like say an aggro guy opens on the button you should be 3betting a lot of hands out of the small blind. You want to get your hands headsup against the stealer. Your range widens the more his range widens but I can see you are not 3betting enough in general. I don't think I defend my small blind enough but I defend it twice as much as you do. Take into account whether or not the BB is a drooler (good seat selection means he shouldn't be and will fold to the 3bet). You should 3bet more from Small Blind because the dead money from the BB folding gives you a bigger pot for what you pay Also find spots to complete the BB when it has been raised and coldcalled, you get to close the action with 5-1 or even more and aren't committed to trying to steal the pot. Play some offsuit connectors! Play small PP! Play any two suited when it hits you 7-1.

You are letting your BB get stolen way too much. Get fold BB to steal below 50 at least. Again this depends on steals attempt to steal range but above 50 is bad imo.

Also you should show down at bit more at .25/.50, i don't know when you are gonna find more showdowns but posting hands and asking questions should help. One thing I notice at .25/.50 when I play is that there are a bunch of kids that like to spew at you when they have a crap hand like bottom pair or Jhi. Watch your tables and find out who they are and don't let them punk you. They are TRYING TO GIVE YOU MONEY!

Reaper,

Thanks for the detailed reply.

1. I know 22/19 is really tight/nitty but I like how easy it makes most decisions both pre and post flop. I'm playing 6 tables and I like to be able to make quick, fast decisions and still win. Right now I'm trying to grind out the rakeback while still maintaining a somewhat decent winrate. My results were much, much better over the first 12k or so hands when I played even a bit tighter like 20/17. I tried to loosen up a bit and found I was getting crushed and paying off with tons of 2nd best hands. I was probably just running bad but I just kept spewing with stuff like 22-66 and paying off way too much. I was folding 22-66 in the SB when someone tried to steal and then I decided to 3bet it and it just cost me a ton of money. I think folding is best unless there are other callers in. Most of the time people at .25/.50 are like 50/3 or 60/40 and they aren't really positionally aware so their opening range might be the same from utg as the button, and a lot of people don't open raise with stuff like JTo or 89s from the button they just limp. So when they open raise I'm usually crushed or slightly ahead with my hand. I could be wrong but that's just what I saw.

My opening ranges for the 1st 12k or so hands was like this

utg-any pair, ATs+, KQs

middle position-any pair, A8o+, KTo+

cutoff-any pair, any ace, any king, QTo+

button-any pair, any ace, any king, QTo+ and very few suited connectors such as 89s or T9s

sb-I opened pretty loosely from the sb basically anything higher than a T or anything suited.

Then I loosened up and played a few more hands. I added

utg-any 2 cards T+

middle-any 2 cards T+ and all aces

cutoff-any 2 cards T+, all aces, all kings, and some stuff like 89s and T9s

button-basically I would open the button with any pair, any ace/king/queen and anything connected and/or suited, stuff like T8s and J9s.

sb-played it the same.

I found that I was opening a lot with JTo from utg and losing a ton. KTo the same. I would either get 3bet by someone sort of decent and get blown out or get called by 4 people and whiff on the flop. And I was completely lost playing the flops with 3+ people, making mistakes like folding AQ on a board of QT389 and 2 people show KQ. I just find the decisions much easier when you have a big hand and people are paying you off all the way, or when you have a hit or miss hand like 66 and there are a bunch of people in. I can't really justify opening KTo utg, because you are very rarely going to get it heads up, and if it's 3+ ways your equity sucks.

So maybe I need to go back to my old style of opening, but modify it a bit. Keep the same tight style in the early and middle positions and loosen up from the button. Defend my BB more obviously. The sample is pretty small though so who knows. Anyway thanks for the advice.

Too tight.

Please help. I thought I was doing alright but maybe I was just running really good. Now I either am playing bad or running really bad. I don't know much about these stats but would appreciate any inputs into what I need to change. The first set of stats is from before I started losing and the second is from the last 2 days since I started getting destroyed. I don't feel like I have been playing differently during this losing streak but I know tilt can be subtle and I may be playing differently without being aware of it. I am playing 25c/50c rush tables on full tilt.

CL you are...

/yw

@ .25-.50 u should be playing between 27/18 and 40/30 imo.

dont try to go from 20.5 to 27 ... add some hands to steal position and and defend more

I'm gonna work through your post and put my comments on what you say in bold. But to quote LaPeste's comment, who was instrumental in beating the nit out of me, you are playing too tight. Also I think you need to play less tables if you want to get better. Stop playing rush imo. As thinking players a huge amount of our edge comes from reads, rush destroys reads so why play it? I understand why fish play but I don't get why regs play.

Unless you want to play .25/.50 for life and watch your run good end miserably. But like I've said before (and some of the regs will say), I'm still pretty noob myself.

Thanks for the advice, I am trying to open up my starting hand range a bit. I just played a 709 hand session where I was playing 26/18 and I finally had a winning session again. Of course 709 hands isn't an indication of much but at least my heart's in the right place, haha.

it's happened to me before too. You can say lol samplesize but I think there are immediate results when you improve your game. Even if you are not as comfortable with weaker hands there is a psychological effect to loosening it up boosts confidence and makes you start to think more about hands. It might be a slight effect but winning one big pot with a marginal hand you would have folded can be what puts a session in the green instead of the red.

Hi!
Can anyone make something out of my stats? These are from .5/1 and 1/2 limit filtered for 5 and 6 players.



Rake is just cruel, but I have rakeback and manage to stay afloat, barely. The key areas of improvement I have identified are:
#1 Not play so horribly from the blinds
#2 Win more often at showdown
Which unfortunately I haven't been able to make much progress in.
#3 3bet more, especially as BB vs SB. Bit more optimistic about my prospects here.

I also have a lower VPIP and PFR than could be considered optimal by reading this thread, but I am simply not showing consistent profits by playing the cards at the fringe of my opening ranges as is. If anything, restraining myself with low pp's and aces have shown an isolated profit. 7bb/100 enviroment does make a lot of marginal hands unprofitable.

Any constructive feedback is much appreciated, as is any tips and resources about blind defence / OOP play. Ty.

snw:
3bet BB vs SB should be around 30%
you defend "ok" range the BB but I think you are too foldy postflop in this spot.

you should wide your range on late, stealing way more from BTN and CO

My wr @ 2/4
Last 100k hands 0.72BB/100
last 100k before those 100k 1.92BB/100

Have I gotten dumber?
Am I being exploited?
Games are getting tougher?
Variance?
All together?

The funny thing is that I still can find lots of fish...Maybe I'm slowly turning into fish myself?

My SN is Qwertyfax, will buy you a sixpack of beer for any good advice

I honestly think the games are getting tougher. I am seeing a lot better play. Yes, there is still a lot of stupid play too, but not as much as there used to be a year ago. Your PTR looks very impressive, with your first month long break even stretch. If that is the bitch side of variance, you will do very well at this game...

Assuming your WR is 1.92:
> pnorm(0.72*1000,1.92*1000,20*sqrt(1000))
[1] 0.02888979

You have about a 3% chance of getting the result you got or one that is worse in the second 100K hands.

Assuming your WR is 1.32 (the average of 1.92 and .72):
> pnorm(0.72*1000,1.32*1000,20*sqrt(1000))
[1] 0.1713909

You have about a 17% chance of getting the result you got or one that is worse in the second 100K hands.

So things like this happen. That's of course no reason not to use it as motivation to get better. For example, you might compare how you were doing in certain spots before to now and see if there is anything you are doing that might be causing that change.

Over the last 4000 hands, I've tried being looser but my results have stayed very terrible. I am starting to think this may just not be the game for me.

fwiw posting all 20k of the stats would be more helpful as 6k is not enough for the position stats to converge. You look extremely tight pf however.

I was trying to show the adjustment I made since I had last posted here but this are my total numbers.