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I wouldn't say very bad Leader, at 1/2 the CO openers are more tight than at mid-stakes, one of the reasons being precisely they don't know the value of position and including some more hands is marginaly +EV at best, I think 3-betting the CO-raises with even wider range is the least of his problems

01-17-2009 , 04:02 AM

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Leader

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Originally Posted by Bahaus

It's one of his problems of that I have no doubt.

01-17-2009 , 08:49 AM

#303

slomoe

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Hi all,

These hands are mainly at 0.50/1 and are filtered for 5/6 players.

I've been trying to improve my play and have been altering my range in late position and thinking about blind defence.

Obviously haven't got it right yet as you can see but it's improving. I suspect I bet the turn too much with little/nothing so maybe need to modify that a bit. And what about the flop, does everybody continuation bet almost all the time, or should I check occasionally? (oop sometimes? or in position on rag boards??)

Any thoughts?

- moe

01-17-2009 , 09:12 AM

#304

mvoss

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Hey slomoe,

I think you should raise more preflop, and you're either calling way too much on the river or not valuebetting/raising nearly enough since your river AF is really low.

When 2/3 handed your easiest strategy is to cbet 100% of the flops imo.

01-17-2009 , 09:14 AM

#305

slomoe

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Hi mav,

Your overall stats are for 15K hands but the position ones only 11K - do the numbers change much if you display 11K (or 15K?) for both?

35's pretty low for WtSD, it looks like you should showdown more to me. (I think my problem is that I SD too much, and I'm confusing myself recently trying to fold a bit more.) Maybe try and SD more when it's heads up - are people just pushing you off hands too often?

How do the numbers look if you filter for 2/3/4+ at the flop? (Not sure if they'll help)
What's your fold to river bet number?

- moe

01-17-2009 , 11:00 AM

#306

HunLaci

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Hey,
I would like to know that is it possible to be a winner from the blinds, or at least from the small blind? Anyone has got this kind of stat?
Laci

01-17-2009 , 11:16 AM

#307

Oink

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Hunlaci

If you play HUHU you will typiclly be a winner in the small blind.

So if there is a lot of HUHU in your overall sample then yes having a positive winrate is possible.

But for 3-6 handed play I dont think its possible

01-17-2009 , 11:46 AM

#308

timoK

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is there an easy way to filter in HEM for winrates and stats per position?

01-17-2009 , 12:50 PM

#309

maverickai

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Quote:

Originally Posted by slomoe

What's your fold to river bet number?

- moe

45%. too high?

01-17-2009 , 12:53 PM

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maverickai

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Leader

That's like 10% if you include KQo/KQs/KJs which is what I think you meant. I raise nearly twice as many hands in that situation.

like: ~44+,A5s+,K8s+,QTs+,J9s+,A6o+,K9o+,QJo

At 1/2 you should do somewhat less, but folding hands like A7s or ATo in this spot is very bad against all but the most incredibly passive COs.

Leader, how will you change your range if the SB or the BB is passive coldcallers? Such players are quite a plenty in 1/2 stakes

01-17-2009 , 12:54 PM

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mvoss

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Quote:

Originally Posted by timoK

is there an easy way to filter in HEM for winrates and stats per position?

Upper left corner, just below the "Reports" tab there's a dropdown menu called "Select Report Name from List". Default is "By Stakes", but you can scroll down and find "Position".

01-17-2009 , 12:57 PM

#312

maverickai

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bahaus

That's a decent range for 3-betting but what is your range for open-raising BTN? that might be your problem

My opening range on BTN is this:
22+, A2s, A3o, K2s, K7o, Q5s, Q8o, J6s, J8o, T7s, T8o, 97s, 98o, 86s, 75s, 65s

The main problem lies with how to play the BTN after CO opens. I think I'll adopt Leader's range as a guide, but tighten it a bit till I get used to the wider range.

01-17-2009 , 01:04 PM

#313

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Originally Posted by maverickai

Leader, how will you change your range if the SB or the BB is passive coldcallers? Such players are quite a plenty in 1/2 stakes

It changes thinks only slightly esp if they are extremely loose. I'm happy to play a 4 way pot for 3 bets with J9s if two of the players are calling a 60+% range. You might make a case for a cold call there, but not folding. I might knock a pip or two off the off suit hands though.

I'd be more likely to back off substantially if SB or BB was the type to cap 25-30% here, but I doubt you'll find many of those guys at 1/2.

01-17-2009 , 02:35 PM

#314

ChawkDee

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I'm doing trial with Poker Tracker and the my results(stats) this month are as follows:-
VPIP PFR AF
$3/6 37 25 3.6

$1/2 48 26 1.9

Are these stats god, bad, or indifferent?

Pokerstars 6 handed.

Cheers

ChawkDee

01-17-2009 , 04:23 PM

#315

slomoe

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Quote:

Originally Posted by maverickai

45%. too high?

I think so. It seems to tie up with your low wtsd and highish w$sd - looks like you may be giving up the winning hand sometimes - an expensive mistake to make. (I'm sure we all do it sometimes, but AIUI if you're going to get this wrong as a pattern it's better to call too often than give up the whole pot too often.)

- moe

01-17-2009 , 04:26 PM

#316

slomoe

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ChawkDee

I'm doing trial with Poker Tracker and the my results(stats) this month are as follows:-
VPIP PFR AF
$3/6 37 25 3.6

$1/2 48 26 1.9

That's quite a variation between the levels, how many hands is this over?

- moe

01-17-2009 , 11:07 PM

#317

maverickai

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Leader

It changes thinks only slightly esp if they are extremely loose. I'm happy to play a 4 way pot for 3 bets with J9s if two of the players are calling a 60+% range. You might make a case for a cold call there, but not folding. I might knock a pip or two off the off suit hands though.

I think my mindset is still trapped in the taggy play. I think it's my old mindset that against loose passives I've to tighten up my range.

01-21-2009 , 03:21 AM

#318

ChawkDee

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Here's my stats for 18,000 hands - Limit at Pokerstars $1/2 and $2/4

VPIP - 45
PFR - 31
AF - 2.44

Any comment on these welcome.

W$WSF -44
WTSD - 40
W$SD - 50

I'd like to know what an experts stats are and what they think of mine.

Thanks

01-21-2009 , 03:28 AM

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lippy

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Guessing your avg players is like 3.7?

01-21-2009 , 03:38 AM

#320

aarono2690

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Maybe tighten up on putting money into the pot and tone down aggression slightly? I'm not too good with stats and what's optimal at each level, take it with a grain of salt. I used to be like that and I can say that I was a player who'd go, "WTF How can they call me down with that, my bluff was perfect!"

01-21-2009 , 03:39 AM

#321

Scorcho

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i suggest putting down the red bull

01-21-2009 , 05:26 AM

#322

ChawkDee

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Is't aggressive good at limit?

01-21-2009 , 05:31 AM

#323

Kevin Rudd

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I think you are being too aggressive. As my gf says, being aggressive is good, but not all the time.

Need stats on your positions

01-21-2009 , 05:33 AM

#324

Spy Dog

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Looks good.

01-21-2009 , 06:22 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lippy

Guessing your avg players is like 3.7?

This.

Isn't a W$WSF of 44 insanely high considering 45/31 numbers? Either OP is the best postflop player in the world or is running hotter than anyone in the world or these numbers are skewed by a lot of <4 handedness.

I run around 32/20 with around 40/50 SD numbers and if my W$WSF on a session is >40 then I'm running good.

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