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11-01-2011 , 03:00 PM


Help! Look how much I'm losing from the blinds.

Can anyone tell ,e what I'm doing wrong?
11-01-2011 , 03:30 PM
You need to filter for 3-6 handed. Also it looks like you play the same in every position from UTG-BT
11-01-2011 , 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by La Peste
Leader's charts will probably having you play slightly looser than you are currently, but if I am not mistaken it won't open you up a ton. Personally, I think you could use those charts, and deviate to open up a bit more in spots that warrant it. For instance if I were playing the button with a player with your defend stats in the big blind, I would open perhaps as much as 65 to 70% on the button to take advantage of you folding too much. Lots of little adjustments like this can have you opening slightly wider in different spots in response to your opponents leaks.

I showdown a ton more, 44%, but it's a pretty stylistic stat, that also has a lot to do with how you play different streets. So, yeah I would showdown a lot more, but there are good players that showdown similar to you.
I somehow missed this....good feedback....tks!
11-01-2011 , 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Leader
You need to filter for 3-6 handed. Also it looks like you play the same in every position from UTG-BT
What would be good stats from the blinds?
11-01-2011 , 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by ChawkDee
What would be good stats from the blinds?
This constant looking for 'perfect' stats is entirely the wrong way to go about learning the game. Think more about opposition tendencies and how you can exploit them, then the stats will sort themselves
11-06-2011 , 05:45 AM
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Originally Posted by CloseTheBorder
This constant looking for 'perfect' stats is entirely the wrong way to go about learning the game. Think more about opposition tendencies and how you can exploit them, then the stats will sort themselves
Does that mean you don't know?

How about VPIP 50 and PFR 20 from the BB?
11-06-2011 , 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by ChawkDee
Does that mean you don't know?

How about VPIP 50 and PFR 20 from the BB?
This attitude is a pretty sure-fire way to secure not getting any help from people.
11-21-2011 , 08:16 AM


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11-21-2011 , 08:28 AM
Too agro for 1/2 imo. Think most aggro lags stay around 36/28 range in higher games, you're at 38/30.
Showing down way too much given that VPIP. CC way too much in BB. (defending top 50%+ range vs 3b/4b???)
In b4 moved to stat thread.
11-21-2011 , 08:40 AM
aren't you not_so_good ? i thought you'd played a big sample at 3/6 5/10
11-21-2011 , 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by BigBadBabar
aren't you not_so_good ? i thought you'd played a big sample at 3/6 5/10
I was beating 30/60 and even some 50/100 years ago.
Then i went to only play HU for a few years.
Went back to playing 6max when HU dryed up.
Played 12-15 tables to make SNE in 2010.
Got tiered of losing so i played some PLO, but did not do as well as i wished. SO...here i am back at 6max limit.
And i have problems beating even 1/2...

Edit: I AM playing 12 tables....i know that have something to do with it...
11-21-2011 , 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by MicroGrinder84
Too agro for 1/2 imo. Think most aggro lags stay around 36/28 range in higher games, you're at 38/30.
Showing down way too much given that VPIP. CC way too much in BB. (defending top 50%+ range vs 3b/4b???)
In b4 moved to stat thread.
I think you are a little confused about a few things here.
First, what you are talking about is preflop looseness, not aggression. Aggression is a postflop quality.
Second, even though most people may not go above 36/28, it doesn't really mean anything. It depends on your abilities whether you can play a looser style, not on what style works for others. 40/30 is certainly doable and that has been proven by many.
Third, there's no such thing as showing down too much given a vpip. I think you mean that he can't have enough strong hands in his range to go to showdown that often, but it's not that simple. The laggier you play, the more shots your aggressive opponents will take at you, so if you just start to fold a lot postflop, you might as well save some money and fold preflop. That doesn't mean you can't play a winning lag style with a lowish wtsd, but many good lags have it in the low or even mid forties. There's no such thing as a right wtsd, there are some extremes which probably can't work, like I haven't seen anyone winning over a long sample with a wtsd way below 37 or way over 45, but it's a stylistic thing and doesn't depend much on your vpip.
Fourth, idk if you're using HEM or PT3 but in HEM, your BB defense counts as CC, even if it's just one bet to you, doesn't need to be a 3bet. As long as you are calling and not 3betting, it's a CC.

OP, your stats look fine. But if you are 12 tabling with a very laggy style, you are putting yourself in many tough close spots with a weak range while your attention will be divided between them all the time. That inevitably leads to sending bets down the drain on a regular basis. Unless you are god's gift to poker you probably need to choose between a more conservative style and many tables with a decent wr, a laggy style with less tables and a higher wr, or too many tables for what you can handle with your style and living off of rb only.

And yeah ship this to the stat thread.

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11-21-2011 , 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by daiquiri
I think you are a little confused about a few things here.
First, what you are talking about is preflop looseness, not aggression. Aggression is a postflop quality.
Second, even though most people may not go above 36/28, it doesn't really mean anything. It depends on your abilities whether you can play a looser style, not on what style works for others. 40/30 is certainly doable and that has been proven by many.
Third, there's no such thing as showing down too much given a vpip. I think you mean that he can't have enough strong hands in his range to go to showdown that often, but it's not that simple. The laggier you play, the more shots your aggressive opponents will take at you, so if you just start to fold a lot postflop, you might as well save some money and fold preflop. That doesn't mean you can't play a winning lag style with a lowish wtsd, but many good lags have it in the low or even mid forties. There's no such thing as a right wtsd, there are some extremes which probably can't work, like I haven't seen anyone winning over a long sample with a wtsd way below 37 or way over 45, but it's a stylistic thing and doesn't depend much on your vpip.
Fourth, idk if you're using HEM or PT3 but in HEM, your BB defense counts as CC, even if it's just one bet to you, doesn't need to be a 3bet. As long as you are calling and not 3betting, it's a CC.

OP, your stats look fine. But if you are 12 tabling with a very laggy style, you are putting yourself in many tough close spots with a weak range while your attention will be divided between them all the time. That inevitably leads to sending bets down the drain on a regular basis. Unless you are god's gift to poker you probably need to choose between a more conservative style and many tables with a decent wr, a laggy style with less tables and a higher wr, or too many tables for what you can handle with your style and living off of rb only.

And yeah ship this to the stat thread.
Thanx daiquiri.

I think you are right. I need to play fewer tables to play that style.
I am aso stacking the tables so i only see 1.

One stat i think sticks out from me and other winning players is the turn c/r.
I think i am c/r the turn to little.
I never c/r picked up draws on the turn, witch i think i can find spots for.
I also never c/r a good 2nd pair on the turn, i tend to c/r those on the flop.
Maby its better to c/r those on the turn against pepole i know will bet the turn in pos.

I think a small change like that could turn my -.5bb/100 to a +.5bb/100.
11-21-2011 , 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by snorfarfar
I was beating 30/60 and even some 50/100 years ago.
Then i went to only play HU for a few years.
Went back to playing 6max when HU dryed up.
Played 12-15 tables to make SNE in 2010.
Got tiered of losing so i played some PLO, but did not do as well as i wished. SO...here i am back at 6max limit.
And i have problems beating even 1/2...

Edit: I AM playing 12 tables....i know that have something to do with it...
In before Scorcho declares you to be Russian and professes his outmost hatred for you.

Last edited by MicroGrinder84; 11-21-2011 at 11:46 AM. Reason: Yeah and ignore my advice, game has passed me by
11-22-2011 , 08:09 AM
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One stat i think sticks out from me and other winning players is the turn c/r.
I think i am c/r the turn to little.
I never c/r picked up draws on the turn, witch i think i can find spots for.
I also never c/r a good 2nd pair on the turn, i tend to c/r those on the flop.
Maby its better to c/r those on the turn against pepole i know will bet the turn in pos.
I think about 10% is OK, given that you c/r flop almost 30% of the time. You should c/r picked up draws on the turn often (if you think you have FE) though.

In general I think is better to c/r flop with everything, made hands to extract max. value and draws to create FE when we have better equity.

But against players with a high TurnCBet% is good to c/c c/r nice made hands (TP type). Many of the 1/2 TAGs barrel the turn too much. Also against good/observant opponents you need to c/c flop with some strong hands to avoid exploitation on the turn, because if you c/r everything on the flop your turn range is basically A-high/bottom pair/weak overcard draws and such.
11-22-2011 , 08:23 AM
playing 12 tables has a lot to do with it. try one or two tabling and really focusing on every decision. you could record it in a video and review it later, posting questions about trouble spots. it sounds like it's possible that it's been a while since you've actually 'worked' on your game. do you game select? seat select? play long sessions? tilt? it'll be way more instructive (imo) to look at thematic spots that you struggle with, like 'ui overs on the turn in 3bet pots,' instead of looking at a stats screenshot
11-24-2011 , 05:15 PM
Filter for 5 and 6 handed imo.
01-26-2012 , 09:06 AM
Hi guys, im on a sick downswing. I feel I table and seat select better then 90% of regulars and im stuck in 700BB downswing. I dont focus too much on stats and I dont really know what to look for so maybe someone could point out if theres anything that could indicate why im loosing so bad.

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Im really soul crushed. I dont multitable alot , mostly i stick with 4 tables max.
01-26-2012 , 09:08 AM
filtered for 5&6 handed
01-26-2012 , 10:10 AM
Your pos. awareness is maybe a bit low? You only play 5% more hands from cutoff than from early - you're too loose in early position and too tight on the cut-off. It's like you know that you should be loose on the button, but you don't open up in a linear way from early to cutoff.

Not sure about having a 10% 3bet range on BB and a 40% CC% - shouldn't you just call all, or 3bet more (with calling entire range being my preferred)?

You've got a low WTSD, high W$SD% and a high river call efficiency.

Are you folding a bit much in some spots? Do you go cbet, turn cbet, fold to aggression in a predictable way or something? Give up too many rivers?
01-26-2012 , 10:31 AM
Thank lemonlight, I appreciate the feedback.

Can you elaborate more on how linear my pfr should be. I agree im too loose from ep.

Lets keep in mind especially with the downswing my table selection is drastic so the players at the table are usually very loose and Ill have good position on them 90% of the time.

So with tha in my mind I suspect my late position VP$iP is ok and but iam much too loose in ep especially with these table conditions.

I agree in this downswing my play may have changed for the worse in an attempt to fix overagression to the point where I was too passive. However my wtsd was always low, I agree iam too predicatble in HU pots vs some regulars.

3betting from the BB comes mostly from sb opens I suppose. Otherwise Im not worried about this particular thing. Sometimes I do call and sometime I raise but im not really polarized. Sometimes I call my entire 3 betting range and sometimes I do 3bet it. I think thats ok. Im curious what about my wtsd numbers from the BB and sb. I have a feeling I dont fight back enough and showdown too light but it seems I still get called extremely light anyway.

I do give up some rivers. I often c/c c/c c/f , I didnt really feel my opponents really pick up on that but some might. I might have to call more in general, im still getting a good price everytime.

A particular thing that worries me is that by folding I encourage people making more semi bluffs against me and firing the river. I do feel I showdown already though.

Im not trying to defend myself, please keep the criticism coming. I welcome it.
01-26-2012 , 11:13 AM
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01-27-2012 , 07:52 AM
You open slightly too much UTG and OTB. You need to open slightly more in MP and the CO and a lot more in the SB. Your aggression % is too low, which is likely contributing to your WtSD problems. 37 is really much too low. You are correct that this is related to your BB play. Your PFR is also too low, which I don't feel is fully accounted for by your opening numbers or slightly low 3b%. It's likely that you're not raising limpers frequently enough or not capping enough in multiway pots.
01-27-2012 , 05:05 PM
Thanks for for your help leader.

Are you saying iam too passive in the BB and thats contributing to my wtsd problems? If I were more aggressive how would that fix my wtsd?

Am I too passive and showing down too little from all positions?
01-27-2012 , 06:05 PM
Im playing a 1/3 2/5 structure. How much more should I open in the sb?

      
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