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08-28-2011 , 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by CherylCole
Do you still do your math coaching btw ?

thanks for the input. will play a bunch more and see if i can work on those and see if i can get it up. I need to look at my hud setup to i think.
Yep, I'd be happy to help you out. Just send me a PM or email me at leader2p2@gmail.com and we'll set something up.
08-28-2011 , 11:13 PM
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Originally Posted by pg_780
23/19 is pretty tight. You should be able to widen by a couple pips at each position.

34 is a very low WTSD. You might be able to get away with a low %, if people aren't bluffing at these stakes. But this is very low.

What's your fold BB to steal?
Thank you for your comments. What do you recommend WTSD should be around? Do you think I should be going to SD more often OOP/IP or just in general?

My BB fold to steal is 57.4
08-28-2011 , 11:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Intrepid Llama
Thank you for your comments. What do you recommend WTSD should be around? Do you think I should be going to SD more often OOP/IP or just in general?

My BB fold to steal is 57.4
Always remember: If it is hot, then you must pop it. Pop it like it's hot.
08-29-2011 , 03:59 AM
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Originally Posted by KnockItOff
Always remember: If it is hot, then you must pop it. Pop it like it's hot.
Not sure what you mean by this?
08-29-2011 , 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Intrepid Llama
Thank you for your comments. What do you recommend WTSD should be around? Do you think I should be going to SD more often OOP/IP or just in general?

My BB fold to steal is 57.4
Most people are around 40% WTSD. Usually the number gets higher as you go up in stakes cause people are more balanced/bluffing more. If you have a good read you can exploit and not show down the "optimal amount", but you're probably folding equity too often. One spot you should pay attention to is your BTN vs a BB. People c/r wide in that situation and you have to SD a fair bit.

Your fold BB to steal is extremely high. You should easily be able to get it down to 35%. Some people are in the low-mid 20's.
08-29-2011 , 10:29 PM
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Originally Posted by pg_780
Most people are around 40% WTSD. Usually the number gets higher as you go up in stakes cause people are more balanced/bluffing more. If you have a good read you can exploit and not show down the "optimal amount", but you're probably folding equity too often. One spot you should pay attention to is your BTN vs a BB. People c/r wide in that situation and you have to SD a fair bit.

Your fold BB to steal is extremely high. You should easily be able to get it down to 35%. Some people are in the low-mid 20's.

Ok, thanks for the advice.
10-14-2011 , 11:05 AM
Hello,

first of all sorry for creating new tread, I dont know if there is some help tread where I can insert this, so if is, please moderators to move it.

So to my problem, Im FLH player, mainly 2/4 and 3/6 USD 6-max, maybe somebody meet me at the table if you play on those stakes on PS or PP. So my problem is that I have decent results in 5-6 handed and terrible results in 2-4 handed. I have seen all of Sledghammer, Dcook videos on DTB, also videos from Boomer on Pokerstrategy and some other videos mainly on DTB, so I know I have some huge HUGE leaks in my super shorthanded and Heads up play, but I really dont see it. Also I definitely have leaks in 5-6 max game, I know. So if someone will be so kind to help me, I will be very very happy

Here are my results and stats -

5 - 6 handed



2 - 4 handed

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Heads - up stats - first half




Heads - up stats - second half



3 - 4 handed stats - first half



3 - 4 handed stats - second half



5 - 6 handed stats - first half




5 - 6 handed stats - second half


If I miss some important stats, please let me know. Thank you for any help!
10-14-2011 , 02:46 PM
u forgot the most important stat: BB/100 pre-rake

also, i think there is a stat thread somewhere, but at first glance ur stats look pretty solid to me..
10-14-2011 , 10:57 PM
Only looked at your HUHU stats but in general for heads up play: you are too tight preflop, you don't 3 bet pf nearly enough (3 betting only 8.3% polarizes your range, especially if you are just 3-betting the top 8.3%), you don't c-bet the turn enough, you aren't aggressive enough in general (your agg % is pretty low plus your W$WSF is only 45.6%).

I would suggest check raising dry flops more frequently and playing your draws more aggressively. I would also 3-bet preflop much more often, you can generate a lot of fold equity after the flop by doing this, plus you will make more $ with your good hands if you are also 3-betting hands like 78s a good portion of the time.

That said, stats aren't that useful for heads up play since the actions you make should be dependent on the leaks that your opponent has.
10-15-2011 , 03:49 AM
Hello,

thank you for your reactions! My winrate without rake is:

1,01 BB/100 for 3/6 USD HU, 1,27 BB/100 for 2/4 USD HU

-3 BB/100 for 3/6 USD 3-4 handed (I think there I still have small sample 5k hands)
+ 3,28 BB/100 for 2/4 USD 3-4 handed

+ 3,87 BB/100 for 3/6 USD 5-6 handed
+ 3,54 BB/100 for 2/4 USD 5-6 handed
10-15-2011 , 04:38 AM
yea thats more or less what i expekted.. you beat the games by a good margin but rake is holding you back.

But i think DVD is probably right also. Im guessing you tend to be a little too fit or fold postflop, which btw should be a good strategy at 5-6 handed at these stakes i think. But its probably less optimal when it gets very shorthanded, so I think you have some room for improvement right there. As a disclaimer Im not a HU player, so I cant really comment very well on those stats. But in general for very shorthanded and HU I think being a little more creative postflop with less folding and more bluffing in spots that it makes sense to should be good for your winrate
10-16-2011 , 04:04 AM
strixsr you play stars and party, right? saw some of your posts and played with you a little on party, your play seems fine obv

just chiming in to say at 2/4 and 3/6 on party the rake is way too high, so don't worry if your results are bad. You can PTR the best regs, the german/russian robots that don't make any mistakes (HansMaulwurf, Schnickler, Napashark, Banangui, players like that), they are all breakeven or worse with the rake, even with a ton of 60/5 fish in the games. At 5/10+ the games are beatable

i only played there cos I was lucky enough to have affilate rakeback, but now party are screwing affilates over and have reduced that, plus with contributed rake you get less points even if you're playing quite a LAG style, so i'm prob gonna move most of my play to stars in 2012

quite hard to get in volume too, variance is obv nuts. these are my results before they switched to contributed rake (26/08/11), so that the rake stats are consistent. pretty sick rake:



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Originally Posted by DVDA4life
you don't 3 bet pf nearly enough (3 betting only 8.3% polarizes your range
Yea 10-13% is more normal but I'd also add that if you adopt the strategy of never 3betting from the BB, It'll be a few points lower. If that's the case this might not be a leak imo
10-16-2011 , 01:41 PM
Pretty sure your comment was about his 6-max play, but if it was about heads up play 10-13% is still not nearly enough imo.

I agree not 3-betting ever preflop is a viable strategy against SOME players, but at these stakes you are leaving way too much on the table against the weak opponents who don't properly adjust to light preflop 3-bets.
10-17-2011 , 01:39 AM
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Originally Posted by jspill
strixsr you play stars and party, right? saw some of your posts and played with you a little on party, your play seems fine obv

just chiming in to say at 2/4 and 3/6 on party the rake is way too high, so don't worry if your results are bad. You can PTR the best regs, the german/russian robots that don't make any mistakes (HansMaulwurf, Schnickler, Napashark, Banangui, players like that), they are all breakeven or worse with the rake, even with a ton of 60/5 fish in the games. At 5/10+ the games are beatable

i only played there cos I was lucky enough to have affilate rakeback, but now party are screwing affilates over and have reduced that, plus with contributed rake you get less points even if you're playing quite a LAG style, so i'm prob gonna move most of my play to stars in 2012

quite hard to get in volume too, variance is obv nuts. these are my results before they switched to contributed rake (26/08/11), so that the rake stats are consistent. pretty sick rake:





Yea 10-13% is more normal but I'd also add that if you adopt the strategy of never 3betting from the BB, It'll be a few points lower. If that's the case this might not be a leak imo


Hello, I dont know your screenname, but Im really happy you are not a HansMaulwurf, becouse this guy makes me crazy sometimes I know about rake problem, but otherwise, some guys still have an HU results about 3-4BB/100 and 6max about 1,5BB/100+ (Coolmaniac for example) so think even if my game is fine, they play lot more better I will definitely think about playing more aggro in HU and ssh and will see ABout moving to stars...I will wait for promo for november and will see, if will be correct rumors about poors/missed promos, I will considering move to stars also. Bad thing is I left my stars account for Party move and I will must eventually makes SN again
10-28-2011 , 11:19 AM
The results are horrible but I need to get over my ego and come here for help. I am a long time winning Full Ring player up at 3/6 and was cracking 5/T when BF hit. Reduced online roll and lack of games has me studying 6 Max. At first I thought I was just running bad, but now I wonder if I am missing something basic. Any help/feedback is appreciated.



Let me know if there is anything you would like to see and I will try to find it. I'm not the best at playing around with HEM.
10-28-2011 , 12:42 PM
antneye, for starters you are way too tight. A PFR in the 29-33 range would be a lot better. You could steal a bit more. You definitely need to defend your big blind quite a deal more.
10-28-2011 , 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by La Peste
antneye, for starters you are way too tight. A PFR in the 29-33 range would be a lot better. You could steal a bit more. You definitely need to defend your big blind quite a deal more.
That's kind of what I figured, but I've been struggling with figuring out how to open it up. My defends blinds results are outstanding, but that is probably due to bias because I am defending so tight that it is showing great results when I defend. I'm assuming that the charts Leader posted are still a good starting point so I am going to try them on and see what it does to my game. If I have to play lower I may as well be learning something.

What about showdown? I feel like I need to showdown more but am again struggling to find the right balance.
10-28-2011 , 02:01 PM
Ok, this is my first 17k hands of online poker for a while. Mainly 0,25/0,5 and 0,5/1. Sorted between 3-6 players.

Any ideas about these stats? I guess too tight, steel more, defend more, but what else?

Lately I've been trying to use Leaders starting chart, but maybe only the last 2k hands or so.

Would really appreciate some input. Thanks.





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10-28-2011 , 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by antneye
That's kind of what I figured, but I've been struggling with figuring out how to open it up. My defends blinds results are outstanding, but that is probably due to bias because I am defending so tight that it is showing great results when I defend. I'm assuming that the charts Leader posted are still a good starting point so I am going to try them on and see what it does to my game. If I have to play lower I may as well be learning something.

What about showdown? I feel like I need to showdown more but am again struggling to find the right balance.
Leader's charts will probably having you play slightly looser than you are currently, but if I am not mistaken it won't open you up a ton. Personally, I think you could use those charts, and deviate to open up a bit more in spots that warrant it. For instance if I were playing the button with a player with your defend stats in the big blind, I would open perhaps as much as 65 to 70% on the button to take advantage of you folding too much. Lots of little adjustments like this can have you opening slightly wider in different spots in response to your opponents leaks.

I showdown a ton more, 44%, but it's a pretty stylistic stat, that also has a lot to do with how you play different streets. So, yeah I would showdown a lot more, but there are good players that showdown similar to you.
10-29-2011 , 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by antneye
The results are horrible but I need to get over my ego and come here for help. I am a long time winning Full Ring player up at 3/6 and was cracking 5/T when BF hit. Reduced online roll and lack of games has me studying 6 Max. At first I thought I was just running bad, but now I wonder if I am missing something basic. Any help/feedback is appreciated.
FR was generally softer before BF then 6m mostly because the tags that frequented those games were far too tight and playing far too many tables.



In addition to the things la paste mentioned, your 3b'ing is off. You basically 3b the same hands HJ-BT and 9% is much too low overall. You should aim for into the teens at least. Also, you're turn cBet is too high. Should be in the mid to low 70's for 6m.

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Let me know if there is anything you would like to see and I will try to find it. I'm not the best at playing around with HEM.
Opening % by position would be helpful.
10-29-2011 , 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Thoreau
Ok, this is my first 17k hands of online poker for a while. Mainly 0,25/0,5 and 0,5/1. Sorted between 3-6 players.

Any ideas about these stats? I guess too tight, steel more, defend more, but what else?

Lately I've been trying to use Leaders starting chart, but maybe only the last 2k hands or so.

Would really appreciate some input. Thanks.





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You basically need to lag it up much more pf and post flop from every position in a large number of spots. I'd recommend posting some hands for postflop and watching some higher stakes vids paying close attention to pf.
10-30-2011 , 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Leader
Opening % by position would be helpful.
Thanks for the feedback. I dug up your charts and I am going back to playing with training wheels....I'm also focusing on playing less tables until I adjust properly.

Here are my positional stats. "UO PFR%" is my opening by position
10-31-2011 , 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by antneye
Thanks for the feedback. I dug up your charts and I am going back to playing with training wheels....I'm also focusing on playing less tables until I adjust properly.

Here are my positional stats. "UO PFR%" is my opening by position
You're biggest issues here are OTB and in the SB. BT should be over 50; SB in the mid 60's.
10-31-2011 , 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by antneye
Here are my positional stats. "UO PFR%" is my opening by position
Your 3b% is weird also and is pretty much the same for each position (and lower OTB then HJ/CO which is crazy) making me think you're not being positionaly aware.
11-01-2011 , 09:59 AM
What are the ideal stats(WTSD% & W$SD%)?

My other stats for the last 400k hands are VPIP 45, PFR 32, 3bet 15.6, Agg 2.3

I'm pretty sure about VPIP and FPR being a bit high but don't anything about WTSD% 39.9 & W$SD% 50. Are these too high or low?

Could anyone explain the relevance of these stats. Thanks.

      
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