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03-21-2011 , 02:32 PM

#2826

reaper6788

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dude I typed out like 4 steps! how sick is gyazo that it does it faster than that?

03-21-2011 , 02:33 PM

#2827

La Peste

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Click button. Instant screenshot that has a interwebs link for you.

03-21-2011 , 03:14 PM

#2828

Grromit

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Windows 7 has the "Snipping Tool" built in, FWIW.

03-22-2011 , 07:54 AM

#2829

master314

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Click button........

03-28-2011 , 01:33 AM

#2830

kikadell

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whats standard for fold BB to steal for 3/6 these days?

03-28-2011 , 01:40 AM

#2831

sledghammer

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Quote:

Originally Posted by reaper6788

you don't need gyazo (whatever that is) just press the print screen button on your keyboard, open paint, control+c, crop whatever you want to show, presto. Open photobucket.com, go to the upload screen, choose file, find the right pic, upload. wait. click finished uploading pics. find your album. click copy the link to the pic.

Btw when you guys want to post stats and get fruitful analysis please just go back and read a few pages of this thread (or read it in entirety, which I recommend). Many questions will be answered and if you still are unsure about your stat's then post them but post the positional ones pls.

+1 to LP's opinion. LAG it up son, LAG it up.

03-28-2011 , 01:43 AM

#2832

reaper6788

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kikadell

whats standard for fold BB to steal for 3/6 these days?

i don't know about 3/6 specificall but people are talking around 35-38 in general amiright?

@sledge, ya you're totally right haha

03-28-2011 , 09:27 PM

#2833

Guigou

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Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 17

I would like to ask...if I am a winning player....my BB/100 on BB vs 1 raiser = SB provided that flop saw = true....must be positive?

03-28-2011 , 09:48 PM

#2834

La Peste

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you are calling a raise from the bb? your winrate in that spot is definitely going to be negative.

03-28-2011 , 09:54 PM

#2835

Guigou

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ok, tnx, i meant calling....but maybe it is then possible to determine optimal/more specific value....for example >-10 or..

03-28-2011 , 10:01 PM

#2836

La Peste

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Here is my wr when I defend (calling only, not 3 betting) bb. Keep in mind when you fold bb your winrate will be -50BB/100.

03-29-2011 , 03:58 AM

#2837

anfernee

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1/2-3/6 5-6 handed for this month.
I think this might be a tad on the loose side for these stakes but I'm not so sure. I find myself in a bunch of ****ty spots vs regs with tighter ranges and often times, I end up looking ridiculous.

There's only a couple of thousand hands per position but my WR in the SB seems a bit out of whack.

I don't recall seeing anyone winning much with these stats on PTR or in my DB for the stakes I play. I used to be a bit tighter (TWSS) and I think that this "style" might be a bad idea for these stakes (a lot of SN grinders). Anyone else agree or think differently?

03-29-2011 , 06:29 AM

#2838

RustyFilter

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Quote:

Originally Posted by La Peste

Here is my wr when I defend (calling only, not 3 betting) bb. Keep in mind when you fold bb your winrate will be -50BB/100.

How long before a stat like this should converge on its 'true' value? I just discovered the alarming fact that after 736 hands of defending i'm losing 51BB/100 at 1/2 (At .5/1 I lost 21BB/100 over 740). I don't get why there would be such a discrepancy, and I really hope open folding the BB when not 3! isn't +ev for me.

03-29-2011 , 11:12 AM

#2839

La Peste

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anfernee, I personally dialed back my looseness slightly and have had positive results. 32/24, 5 and 6 handed fwiw. Hard to know what is variance and what is not in poker though, but I can say I feel a lot more comfortable. Basically I have stopped trying to steal weak from the sb against tough bb that never fold and will 3 bet a ton, and stopped isolating weak players when I have crap myself and there are tough players still to act. mostly though looking at you SD numbers, get more lucky.

03-29-2011 , 11:14 AM

#2840

La Peste

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RustyFilter

I don't know how many hands it would take for this to converge for this very specific situation, but I would think for you it hasn't converged yet. If I were to guess, something like 20K hands for this specific spot might be a good start to get an idea. Someone like leader could tell you for sure though.

03-29-2011 , 11:54 AM

#2841

Guigou

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thank you for answering La Peste.....but then....if you open first from the SB and BB calls....your winrate is positive? or it is just better than -0.25 BB/100?

03-29-2011 , 02:37 PM

#2842

reaper6788

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Quote:

Originally Posted by anfernee

if you are getting 3bet oop a lot then you need to tone is down a bit. I agree with LP that 32/24-26 or so for 5-6 handed is good... I'm doing very well with it so far at least.

ya fold BB to steal may be too low. Your 3bet is really high, try being more selective with it. I think that wide 3betting is expert in the right situations but against a lot of villains it's just like bangin your head against a wall.

03-29-2011 , 09:33 PM

#2843

anfernee

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@LP, Reaperman
Ty for the feedback.

04-04-2011 , 02:34 AM

#2844

Leader

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RustyFilter

There's no cut and dry answer to this. You have to use a t-test on the hand result data. You can do this in R with the t.test function to get a confidence interval for the mean win/loss rate. Also it's important to understand that these things never converge to their true value. There is always some variation even if it decreases with sample size.

04-05-2011 , 05:47 PM

#2845

Verno

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Anfernee, are you really lagging it up that much? How is the winrate? 16% 3bet is very absolution like. I can't get mine above 11 without feeling like I am spazzing out all over the place.

04-05-2011 , 07:01 PM

#2846

reaper6788

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ya I've felt sufficiently LAG with 12%. I think 3bet stat can actually be pretty dependent on stakes and table selection. If I have pfr<5 for all the guys in front of me I am not 3betting KTs on the button. If I have LAGTAGs in front of me (and 1 loose-passive or better yet dumb-LAG otherwise why be at the table?) then I will 3-bang 15% or more from the button all day long.