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12-30-2010 , 05:45 PM
a 35 bb fold to steal is a ballpark approximation of what I think is probably good. aiming for this number might do more harm than good however. an example of maybe where you can open up: you can jump in with some kind of crappy hands against terrible players because you should have a big postflop edge and they are offering you 3:1 here.

You can get away with it just the way you have it, just saying you maybe missing some thin profitable spots. I think you can also steal a bit more, like around 50%.
12-30-2010 , 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by kikadell
ok, so are there any stats i can post that would indicate which spots i should'nt call down?
how many tables you playing? a lot could be messing with your reads.

I'd suggest swapping hands with someone. I've been playing 2/4 and a wee bit of 3/6 lately so I'm down if you want to.

If not a hand swap then do some session reviews of your own and post hands where you think you are in a marginal situation and see if your gamespeed assessment of showingdown being +EV is disagreed with.
12-30-2010 , 11:04 PM
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Originally Posted by reaper6788
how many tables you playing? a lot could be messing with your reads.

I'd suggest swapping hands with someone. I've been playing 2/4 and a wee bit of 3/6 lately so I'm down if you want to.

If not a hand swap then do some session reviews of your own and post hands where you think you are in a marginal situation and see if your gamespeed assessment of showingdown being +EV is disagreed with.
im trying really hard to not become "that guy" and find excuses as to why im losing,

but for the first 70k hands of these 125k, i ran like 47% W$SD, and the rest of them (around 40k actually) i was 6 tabling 10-12 hours a day trying to get SN (christmas/goldeneye source V4.1 kinda totaled this lol)

none the less, im just going to assume im not playing well and start from the ground up and re-do everything, its the healthiest approach as this point imo

4 table, watch lots of videos, post some hands and maybe even post a gameplay video here.

i'll keep ur offer in mind man, thanks , and thanks to the people itt who gave me advice
12-31-2010 , 02:15 AM
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Originally Posted by kikadell
i'll keep ur offer in mind man, thanks , and thanks to the people itt who gave me advice
reading this last bit while seeing your avatar makes it hard to not imagine you getting all teary eyed lol.

Anyways I know it is really hard to not just think you are running bad when you hit a downswing, but like you said it is healthier anyways because even if it is just runbad it is forcing you to improve your game.

That being said, I don't know how often you have played 6 tables and I know some guys can do it really well but when I tried it I developed some seriously terribad leaks that came from lazyness because I wanted to make decisions quickly and not have to think (my turn cbet was 89-90 wtf?!). It took me taking it down to 2-3 tables, paying close attention to what was happening and reading almost this entire thread for me to plug it (i still run pretty high turn cbet but I think I pick much better spots now).
12-31-2010 , 10:47 AM
[QUOTE=reaper6788;23837533]reading this last bit while seeing your avatar makes it hard to not imagine you getting all teary eyed QUOTE]
LOLOL
12-31-2010 , 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by La Peste
You fold your bb to steal a little too much. Other than that your stats are super solid.
Do you use PT3 or HEM?
01-01-2011 , 01:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Apanage
Do you use PT3 or HEM?
HEM
01-01-2011 , 02:12 PM
Today I looked back where I started in 2007 and decided to post my first ever 13k hands (after that I moved on to 6max and bonuswhoring everywhere) of real money fullring stats from back then cause it's so hilarious it cracked me up



well at least I was running like the sun and thought I must be god's gift to poker
good times
01-01-2011 , 02:35 PM
lolz
01-01-2011 , 02:44 PM
I was just looking at my stats for the year. My W$SD when raising flop or turn is over 70% while playing 28/19/48. I guess I should be raising more. Is that correct?
01-01-2011 , 07:09 PM
not really. If you are raising when you think you have a stronger hand than your opponent then of course your W$SD is going to be high when you raise on flop or turn.
01-03-2011 , 04:26 PM
After adjusting my preflop hand selection and blind defense I started wondering about stats. IN the PF starting hands post Leader thinks will end up in about a 26/18 style which he also staes isn't optimal. Could anyone give me an idea of the optimal stats in given limit?
0.05/0.10
0.10/0.20
0.25/0.50
0.50/1.00?
01-03-2011 , 04:54 PM
way too many factors, it depends on how you table select, how good you are and your strengths and weakness. maybe post this in the microstakes stats thread. or maybe someone will come along here, i am not qualified to answer this one (or even think it's answerable really). also once you get better, you can deviate from leaders chart and play a dynamic game based on who is at the table and loosen up a bit in general.
01-03-2011 , 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by La Peste
way too many factors, it depends on how you table select, how good you are and your strengths and weakness. maybe post this in the microstakes stats thread. or maybe someone will come along here, i am not qualified to answer this one (or even think it's answerable really). also once you get better, you can deviate from leaders chart and play a dynamic game based on who is at the table and loosen up a bit in general.
+1

Although, if you want a number... how about 30/25/10
01-03-2011 , 05:04 PM
what is the third number? if it's 3 bet, it's probably too low.
01-03-2011 , 05:09 PM
I think for somebody fairly new to LHE playing 26/18 at microstakes is fine, especially with the insane rake.
01-03-2011 , 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by pokerjunky
I think for somebody fairly new to LHE playing 26/18 at microstakes is fine, especially with the insane rake.
hence why the OP's question is unanswerable. we don't know his skill level. if he is a crusher who would destroy 2/4, he could probably make 40/30 extremely profitable. Rake is more than made up by quality of opposition.
01-03-2011 , 05:26 PM
there are no "golden optimal" pre-flop stats. whenever people ask about the perfect pre-flop hand selection I always think of this:
http://archives2.twoplustwo.com/show...&Number=495010

When we look at each other's positional stats in the stats thread it really isn't about how close you are to a certain vpip/pfr. It's more about seeing how many profitable opportunities you are missing out on and if you are only running 26/18 you are probably missing out on a lot. You just need to post hands and ask questions, watch vids and slowly build your knowledge on the strengths of hands and when to play them. It takes a long time and a lot of effort, I'm not even saying I'm excellent at it yet but I can usually defend my pre-flop decisions with a fairly sound argument so I think I'm doing ok.

e.g. My 3bet for the past 16k hands is about 12%, I feel that it is a bit low and I am missing out on a few profitable situations that I am having trouble identifying but I know for certain that if I was only 3betting 9% that I would be missing out on a lot.
01-03-2011 , 06:46 PM
I thought 10 would be ok at the micro's since the competition doesn't raise as much preflop.
01-03-2011 , 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by kikadell
im trying really hard to not become "that guy" and find excuses as to why im losing,

but for the first 70k hands of these 125k, i ran like 47% W$SD, and the rest of them (around 40k actually) i was 6 tabling 10-12 hours a day trying to get SN (christmas/goldeneye source V4.1 kinda totaled this lol)

If its any consolation I'm at 40% WSD and 49% W$SD over my last 200k hands. I don't know if I'm running bad or what, but I don't feel like I'm a showdown monkey. I think variance has more to do with it than anything, as this sample size is relatively small.
01-03-2011 , 08:09 PM
are you even winning over this 200k sample?
01-03-2011 , 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by pokerjunky
If its any consolation I'm at 40% WSD and 49% W$SD over my last 200k hands. I don't know if I'm running bad or what, but I don't feel like I'm a showdown monkey. I think variance has more to do with it than anything, as this sample size is relatively small.
i thought this also, but when leader says something, i listen closely dammit!!

also, im currently at around 40% WTSD this month, which is a lot closer to when i used to win. also 4 tables is the nuts after playing 6 tables for like a year, amazing the spots im seeing for iso raising, bluff raising, FSD raising etc that i missed before

that combined with table selecting very hard (after virtually no table selecting for a year) makes me pretty optimistic about turning this dumpster fire around

Last edited by kikadell; 01-03-2011 at 08:15 PM. Reason: in after jinx
01-03-2011 , 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by reaper6788
are you even winning over this 200k sample?
I'm running at .90BB/100 (big bets), mostly 3/6 and 5/10. I feel like if I had normal showdown stats I'd be beating the games for much more, but I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong. I'll have to dig up some some questionable hands where I went to SD and see where I'm leaking money.

Interestingly my W$WSF is 43.7 which I believe is fairly standard.

My river agg freq. is 45% at those levels FWIW.

Last edited by Black Hat; 01-03-2011 at 10:02 PM.
01-04-2011 , 07:43 AM
Hey all. Sorry I started a new thread instead of posting here! My stats are
26.1/20.8/10.2
With 6.97bb/100 over 22K hands
Are these average stats for 0.05/0.10 ?
I'm going to get used to playing with a HUD and then moving up. Is this a good move?
01-04-2011 , 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by mathfreak
Hey all. Sorry I started a new thread instead of posting here! My stats are
26.1/20.8/10.2
With 6.97bb/100 over 22K hands
Are these average stats for 0.05/0.10 ?
I'm going to get used to playing with a HUD and then moving up. Is this a good move?
use BB instead of bb to avoid confusion. you should move up asap. i think your stats are probably fine for the stakes, you'll want to loosen up eventually (and even could do so now).

      
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