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11-12-2010 , 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Burriko
Hi, this is my first post, I play on PokerStars at 0.50 / 1, I am a bit stuck on the level, some advice from those who bear more time for $ 0.50 / $ 1 SH? . Greetings


Give more thought to your play - like thinking about who's has already acted, who is to act and what their tendencies are. After doing this I'm sure you will find more spots to 3bet preflop (your stat is low and indicates that you're not looking for these spots.)

You'll also find more places to take a hand to show down (your wtsd is too low) when you think about this stuff

27 / 21 is fine and if you think about what you're doing and select your tables well you should be able to get your winrate to 2-3 BB/100
11-12-2010 , 05:33 PM
Re the 3/6 rake amount discussion above

PTR have done an analysis of all stakes and all sites for LHE... it appears that 3/6 is raked at a higher rate than 2/4 in BB at PS and FTP (pretty much everywhere actually)

http://www.pokertableratings.com/pok...imit-hold%27em
11-13-2010 , 03:42 PM
anyone got rake number for 8/16 on ft?
11-13-2010 , 11:10 PM
Random question but the right thread at least... What do you guys think are optimal WTSD and W$SD for a 30 22 player w an AF of 2.3? mostly playing 3 6 six max fwiw
11-14-2010 , 04:02 AM
45/49
11-14-2010 , 04:08 AM
Express clowns are usually showdown bound

Isn't there a difference between 37/28 and 30/22 la peste?
11-14-2010 , 04:20 AM
39/53 would probably be better target numbers for a 30/22
11-14-2010 , 06:02 AM
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Originally Posted by twopoundroo
it appears that 3/6 is raked at a higher rate than 2/4 in BB at PS and FTP (pretty much everywhere actually)

http://www.pokertableratings.com/pok...imit-hold%27em
No it is only Cereus that you can add to the list of networks with higher rake at 3/6.So FTP,Cereus are the only networks that have higher rake at 3/6 if you consider Stars as even between 2/4 and 3/6
11-14-2010 , 10:47 AM
http://www.pokertableratings.com/pok...imit-hold%27em

According to this chart Party Poker has gone bonkers at full ring 5/10 and 50/100, as well as Bodog Poker at 3/6. There's a lot of other inconsistencies in there too if you look.
11-14-2010 , 04:36 PM
My WTSD is 41 and W$SD is 52 over my last 100k hands so i guess those numbers sound decent... was just wondering if i should be making any adjustments and be calling down any more or less often
11-14-2010 , 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Distajo
Express clowns are usually showdown bound

Isn't there a difference between 37/28 and 30/22 la peste?
I showdowned the same when I was a 30/22. but what do i know i am a huge fish.
11-14-2010 , 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by I Bet the Min
My WTSD is 41 and W$SD is 52 over my last 100k hands so i guess those numbers sound decent... was just wondering if i should be making any adjustments and be calling down any more or less often
Wtsd and W$SD is very much an effect of things as style and table selection.
For example two of the absolute biggest winners at Stars have so different WSD stats as 36% and 44%.
11-14-2010 , 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by La Peste
I showdowned the same when I was a 30/22. but what do i know i am a huge fish.
well at 5/10, yes.
11-14-2010 , 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by SoSo
well at 5/10, yes.
11-16-2010 , 02:51 PM
First post, first 10k hands that I tracked. I want to make sure I am headed in the right direction. It is .25/.50. I thought about posting this in the micros, but I thought I would get more constructive feedback about 6max here.



I really tried to model my preflop play on the on the the charts Leader posted.

Potential leaks I have identified (I know there could be many more):
1. I think CCPF is a little high.
2. W$SD seems a little low. I probably should showdown less often
3. I don't think I am playing from the blinds very effectively.
11-16-2010 , 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Apanage
I play on 8 networks. Full Tilt is the only site where this phenomena exists so I guess you are playing there.All other sites have a significant lower rake at 3/6 than 2/4 except for Stars which seems to have the samerake at 2/4 and 3/6 in BB/100 terms.
The sad thing is that FT and Stars have by the far lowest rake.Some of the other networks are above 4 BB/100 in rake and no networks except for FT and Stars are anywhere near 3 BB/100 in rake in the 2/4 and 3/6 games.
Besides FTP 3/6 being a rake trap it's also riggeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed
11-16-2010 , 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by clearlinesdrawn
First post, first 10k hands that I tracked. I want to make sure I am headed in the right direction. It is .25/.50. I thought about posting this in the micros, but I thought I would get more constructive feedback about 6max here.



I really tried to model my preflop play on the on the the charts Leader posted.

Potential leaks I have identified (I know there could be many more):
1. I think CCPF is a little high.
2. W$SD seems a little low. I probably should showdown less often
3. I don't think I am playing from the blinds very effectively.
Looks fine and cookiecutter will be ok at those stakes. Eventually you will want to loosen up situationally and play a more dynamic game off the chart. I'd also defend my big blind a little more. Definitely don't showdown less that would be a leak.
11-17-2010 , 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by twopoundroo
Give more thought to your play - like thinking about who's has already acted, who is to act and what their tendencies are. After doing this I'm sure you will find more spots to 3bet preflop (your stat is low and indicates that you're not looking for these spots.)

You'll also find more places to take a hand to show down (your wtsd is too low) when you think about this stuff

27 / 21 is fine and if you think about what you're doing and select your tables well you should be able to get your winrate to 2-3 BB/100
Thanks for the reply. I'll try to upload my WTSD and my 3bet.

Greetings
11-17-2010 , 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by twopoundroo
27 / 21 is fine and if you think about what you're doing and select your tables well you should be able to get your winrate to 2-3 BB/100
Pretty sure that 27/21 isn't going to net anyone 2BB/100+. To play that tight you are bypassing a lot of thinly +EV spots. LOL at thinking that 2 to 3BB/100 is achievable to very many players at all. That's an elite winrate.

Last edited by La Peste; 11-17-2010 at 07:22 PM. Reason: I do however fully agree with the thinking about the why you are making actions part based on what the table is giving you
11-18-2010 , 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by La Peste
Looks fine and cookiecutter will be ok at those stakes. Eventually you will want to loosen up situationally and play a more dynamic game off the chart. I'd also defend my big blind a little more. Definitely don't showdown less that would be a leak.
Thanks for the reply. Started working on improving blind defense last night. Is CCPF too high? I read in the micros that it should be around 7, or is that for FR?
11-18-2010 , 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by clearlinesdrawn
Thanks for the reply. Started working on improving blind defense last night. Is CCPF too high? I read in the micros that it should be around 7, or is that for FR?
Yeah it does look like the gap between your VPIP and PFR is a little too wide. Probably should be 3 betting more, like 13 or 14+% instead of cold calling.
11-18-2010 , 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by La Peste
Pretty sure that 27/21 isn't going to net anyone 2BB/100+. To play that tight you are bypassing a lot of thinly +EV spots. LOL at thinking that 2 to 3BB/100 is achievable to very many players at all. That's an elite winrate.
I have seen a number of players beating 3/6 having +2 BB/100 with 27/21 stats over +100Ksamples. A couple of them are posters here.I don't want to out any of them so they have to come forward or you have to look them up at PTR for yourself.
One of them beats 5/10 and 10/20 also for almost 2 BB/100 with 28/21 stats.

I agree that it is an elite winrate though so I really respect those who have it.
Even if it is becoming more and more obvious that it is really only achievable at Stars.
FT is tougher and at all the other networks the rake makes it almost impossible to beat 3/6 and 5/10 for 2BB/100 (with the possible ecxption for Pacific).
11-18-2010 , 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Tirppa
Besides FTP 3/6 being a rake trap it's also riggeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed
Have you played on the Eurosites lately?Try Ongame 5 seated with four 53/30guys and a rake with 1BB/100 higher.Better than to drink absinthe if you are enjoying insanity.
Playing at Full Tilt is actually relaxing since at least you know you're going to end up in the green over 100K hands.And the players are far more predictable.
And as far as I know FT:s rake at 3/6 is the second lowest on the Internet.
11-18-2010 , 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Apanage
FT is tougher
Not in my experience.
11-18-2010 , 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by jph0424
Not in my experience.
yeah i thought the reverse was commonly accepted as true

      
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