Oh, I see what you're saying. That's not really my argument, though. I don't really get the point of the first part of your post, this has nothing to do with me.

I'm mainly concerned here with the declining quality of games (the thing that people bitch about all the time). Basically I'm interested in slowing down the inevitable conclusion of the fate of online poker (inevitable insofar as I can't see a way to prevent the dissemination of all this information to more and more people) for as long as I can.

If you pay for "Premium" on PTR, you can see ridiculously detailed info on anybody you want over big samples (2.5 years or however long PTR has run). Not just the vpip/pfr stuff, but, like, everything. You can also filter the sample in many different ways, making it easier to adjust to changes in a person's playing style.

I'm pretty paranoid about some diligent reg that I play with every day breaking down my >500k sample on PTR and just knowing how I play in every spot.

Checkers was solved a year or two ago, which, even if the solution is unknowable/indecipherable by a human, hurt that game badly. Why would a novice want to learn a solved game? Why would a strong amateur continue to focus his attention on it?

KILL POLARIS

Yeah, depressingly enough, you're right, which is why I don't actually have a solution.

Well done Trypt. It is all on you now!

Elo, I don't have a problem with HUD's (PT3 and HEM) but I do have a problem with PTR. You shouldn't be able to buy hands and you shouldn't be able to have an online HUD that gives you stats against someone you have never played against.

Stars should do what Full Tilt has done by not permitting PTR to collect that data. I don't know this for sure, but I do know that results are not being tracked at FT anymore. I think that is great. C'mon Stars, get off your asses and find a way to block PTR.

Ok, then your issue is with PTR, not HUDs. There is a gigantic difference.

well, PTR is worse, but I do very much wish HUDs were banned

i'd be ****ed if huds were banned, I have crap memory, I need my stats ty

i didn't say anything about quitting the forum, sheeeesh!

remember i still have a job and it's my duty as an american to half-ass it and spend part of each day on the forum

it's just been really nice to not play poker, this is the first time i've gone this long without it in a few years

but tommy175503 is right, i'm not broke or dead so i'll probably never quit, fml

in other news

Where do I go for live LHE in Philly? (10/20-20/40)


or AC . . .

I would just stop and realize how horrible live poker is and not go.

boc what's the damage?

i don't know whether to be proud or ashamed of the fact that I actually don't recognize more than half the memes on here.

pretty much the same for me. every time i have a big night out (this time it was depressing and i just drank at home) and drink till my body hates me its "im quitting, never drinking again" then like 3 days later and i run bad, bring on the burrs

im sincere this time tho, im really gonna leave it alone for as long as i can

pv, not gonna bet since im like 0 for 10 in sssh prop bets, and i really want to stop the alcohol

ur old, im just a kid

Why do people think it is depressing to drink by yourself?

Nobody thinks it is depressing to smoke weed by yourself, as far as I know.


Unrelated:http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/54...r-life-677240/

I read through this (old) thread with a profound mixture of joy, depression, and understanding. The thread isn't that good but I'm glad I opened it.

Sample post from some guy:

"I used to 24 table 25NL and over long weekends I would grind like crazy 15-16K hand days, 2-3 days of intense grinding are easy and I would run on adrenaline. However, when I would return to work my head was not right and I would start thinking weird things ie 'I am going to eat my lunch now, what are the odds the fork will be a spade?' 'If I reach for that piece of paper will I continue if I am check raised?' weird $hit. "

I don't how the hell my chat was on, but I just got berated pretty hardcore by a regular who said that he wondered if I was even a thinking player. It was based on these two hands. I think these are both completely standard. Are these proof that I suck?

Poker Stars $3/$6 Limit Hold'em - 5 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter By DeucesCracked Poker Videos

Pre Flop: (1.333 SB) Hero is BB with T A
1 fold, CO raises, BTN 3-bets, 1 fold, Hero caps!, CO calls, BTN calls

Flop: (12.333 SB) 8 6 8 (3 players)
Hero bets, CO calls, BTN calls

Turn: (7.667 BB) 9 (3 players)
Hero bets, CO raises, BTN folds, Hero calls

River: (11.667 BB) 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets, Hero calls

Final Pot: 13.667 BB
CO shows J T (a pair of Eights)
Hero shows T A (a pair of Eights - Ace kicker)
Hero wins 13.333 BB
(Rake: $2.00)


Poker Stars $3/$6 Limit Hold'em - 4 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter By DeucesCracked Poker Videos

Pre Flop: (1.333 SB) Hero is SB with T 9
1 fold, BTN calls, Hero raises, BB calls, BTN calls

Flop: (6 SB) 7 K 2 (3 players)
Hero bets, BB calls, BTN calls

Turn: (4.5 BB) J (3 players)
Hero bets, BB raises, BTN folds, Hero calls

River: (8.5 BB) Q (2 players)
Hero checks, BB checks

Final Pot: 8.5 BB
BB mucks 6 J
Hero shows T 9 (a straight, Nine to King)
Hero wins 8.167 BB
(Rake: $2.00)

Lapc bout to end. Elo planned to go for a year. Did you go? I set it at -1250 no.

Prob missed his flight

uh

@LP not sure if hand 1 is standard (i can't find anything bad tho) but Hand 2 is lol standard

LP, both of them postflop total standard, preflop 1st hand a bit loose.

Well actually 1st hand river call can be questioned. But totally standard within your high WTSD style.

yeeehaw!
Poker Stars $2/$4 Limit Hold'em - 4 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter By DeucesCracked Poker Videos

Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is BTN with 8 T
CO calls, Hero raises, SB calls, BB calls, CO 3-bets, Hero calls, SB calls, BB calls

Flop: (12 SB) Q 8 K (4 players)
SB bets, BB calls, CO calls, Hero raises, SB calls, BB 3-bets, CO calls, Hero caps!, SB calls, BB calls, CO calls

Turn: (14 BB) J (4 players)
SB checks, BB bets, CO calls, Hero calls, SB raises, BB calls, CO calls, Hero calls

River: (22 BB) 9 (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, CO checks, Hero bets, SB calls, BB calls, CO folds

Final Pot: 25 BB
BB mucks K 8
Hero shows 8 T (a flush, King high)
SB mucks K Q
Hero wins 24.5 BB
(Rake: $2.00)

hand one: two lagtags, that are positionally aware. i figured they should have wide ranges and I might be able to get CO to fold. SO jammara. His turn line is so skewed towards draws, that I fistpump snapped called expecting to win.

hand two: the only mistake I may have made is not 3 betting the turn

what is he repping besides a draw?

9x and slowplayed 8x are value hands. oesd and flush draws are obvious draws. Overall, against aggro guys call is standard.

Btw, I would also call river bet. I dont like to fold SD hands at river.

not in a huge pot when he always has busted draw. 8x would fast play this on the flop. imo