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i wuss out on riv, ok?

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03-22-2010 , 04:09 PM

vankuver

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party 15/30

SB is 44/23/51
BB is 65/40/54

I raise A8o cutoff, both blinds cc

flop - A85 r
i bet, they both call

turn - 2 puts up FD
SB donks, BB raises, i 3bet, they both call

river - 2 off
they both check, i check it back?

i dunno i suppose i should discount hands with a deuce since they are gonna donk river with these some percentage of the time, but like damn they both sprang to life on the turn deuce...

03-22-2010 , 04:19 PM

dmyers1166

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Outside my stakes by about a million dollars so heck if I know. BB seems like a maniac and can't help himself on the 3 bet, SB donking seems like a FD that came in. I can't see a 2 getting this action with A85 there is a straight draw now possible so they could be going crazy with an A4/3. BB seems that is possible plus the A pairing so I think you beating a lot here and the FD did not come in. That BB is going to pay you off. So a bet seems like it is fine. If sb raises, seems like a fold is in the cards for you. If BB raises I call 1 back from him.

03-22-2010 , 04:25 PM

Apanage

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Nothing has changed.There are no hands that pulled ahead of you that wouldn't have capped the turn

03-22-2010 , 04:32 PM

vankuver

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Apanage

Nothing has changed.There are no hands that pulled ahead of you that wouldn't have capped the turn

A2/85s/82s ?

my turn 3bet is pretty strong, wouldnt necessarily expect them to cap those hands

03-22-2010 , 04:37 PM

TheHip41

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wow, that's a scary river card

03-22-2010 , 04:44 PM

Apanage

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Quote:

Originally Posted by vankuver

A2/85s/82s ?

my turn 3bet is pretty strong, wouldnt necessarily expect them to cap those hands

BB is capping everything imo and SB surely caps A2 way more than 50% of the time.
Anyways there are many more combos that you beat than you lose to since they could play any Ax this way.
That hell broke lose on turn is probably more a product of an expert slowplay or a flush draw than it is because of the 2.

03-22-2010 , 05:38 PM

vankuver

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Originally Posted by Apanage

yeah you're right, i just negleted the one pair Ax hands initially because it's bizarre to slowplay a TP with small/medium Ax in a MW pot OOP, and he would be 3betting probably all of his broadway Ax pf.

but he's overly aggro/spewy, so these hands should be included in his range, and when they are i have a pretty easy vbet.

I guess the mods can lock this one up...

03-22-2010 , 05:39 PM

vankuver

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actually i'm curious if paying off a cr is standard? i tend to have a phobia of b/f in huge pots, but i cant imagine being good ever?

03-22-2010 , 05:41 PM

vankuver

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Apanage

BB is capping everything imo

on an unrelated note, do you think it's correct for him to do so?

03-22-2010 , 06:03 PM

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Nchabazam

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Quote:

Originally Posted by vankuver

on an unrelated note, do you think it's correct for him to do so?

This is an incredibly easy valuebet. I'd call if raised expecting to see something stupid like A5 some % of the time.

It's not correct for him to be capping any 2 pair combo, but both guys are fish so they have no idea anyways. I agree both these guys are probably capping any hand that the 2 improved on the turn.

03-22-2010 , 06:41 PM

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vankuver

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Originally Posted by Nchabazam

argggh stupid live poker background has made me so puckshy everytime 3 bets go in on the turn

03-22-2010 , 06:59 PM

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TheHip41

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Quote:

Originally Posted by vankuver

actually i'm curious if paying off a cr is standard? i tend to have a phobia of b/f in huge pots, but i cant imagine being good ever?

dont fold to a river c/r

your hand is too strong to check the river

that leaves b/f

if it goes bet, raise 3bet, then idk, i still think i'm winning

03-22-2010 , 07:19 PM

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Black Hat

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Not trying to be a smart ass, but.....WTF?

03-22-2010 , 07:31 PM

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xxEquinox

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"party 15/30

SB is 44/23/51
BB is 65/40/54"

Wish I played on party.....

Always bet you have the near nuts for the situation.

03-22-2010 , 07:34 PM

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vankuver

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Quote:

Originally Posted by xxEquinox

"party 15/30

SB is 44/23/51
BB is 65/40/54"

Wish I played on party.....

Always bet you have the near nuts for the situation.

yeah i mean the games are sketchy with regards to whether they're gonna run or not, but when they get going they're generally pretty good.

yesterday there was a 30/60 game with both a 85 vpip and a 50 vpip guy

03-22-2010 , 08:10 PM

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Giffer Dsanchez

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Bet you wish you played on FTP xxEquinox

Autobet the river.

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