Bad idea even just for the 'slippery slope' argument, you have to draw the line at never letting software make betting actions for players. Also these slow multitablers make misclicks, misreads, time out and play poorly. Giving them autofolders doesn't necessarily net benefit you just because it increases your hands/hr.

Totally agree.

What are the better ways? Stars already shortened the shot clock and placed a hard table cap on multi-tablers who are taking too long. People are still bitching about slow play more than ever.

Ultimately I don't really give a **** because nothing will change and people will just keep bitching about slow play in every thread like this one. The problem isn't whether you have 10 seconds or 15 seconds or even 20 seconds to act, it's that using anywhere near the max time for trivial decisions completely breaks the game. Regs don't need 15 seconds to fold 93o UTG in a 6max game.

The Pokerstars software already does this. When you time out, it folds your hand. I'm saying it wouldn't be such a bad idea to cut the time from 15 seconds to several seconds in a lot of the preflop situations (outside of the blinds) where regs are never putting money into the pot except for extremely rare circumstances.

PokerStars reps promised they will look in cap tables for LHE players.
Anything is better than your suggestion.

I pointed out that they are already doing that. Even if they lower caps, people are spreading action across multiple sites. Nothing will change, but I guess take solace in the fact that they are looking into it?

If Stars care enough about the problem the answer is to restrict tables, they have said they are looking at this again with LHE in mind. If the worst cases end up only playing a few tables slowly then that still solves most of the problem though I doubt it would need to get that far.

If Stars dont care then <shrug>

Even though I showed quite a lot of mistrust in PokerStars in last years, I think this still is a better shot than your suggestion. Which is horrible btw

The slow play rarely happens pre-flop. Most people have defined ranges and make instant decisions. They also click the auto-fold before it's even their turn when they have the 93o.

It's also a horrible idea to give fish an option to pre-fold certain hands. Because why would I always want to fold 73? Maybe I can outplay them??

Bad bad bad idea

I just wanted to let you know I'm still reading the thread, and I'm looking forward to sharing the details of our Limit Hold'em promotion in the near future.

We are too. Thx for sticking with this thread Nick.

Random thought for an LHE promotion: earn 2000 FPPs playing LHE, get another 500 (or cash) when you do. Numbers are pulled out of thin air but the idea is to incentivise people to play a significant number of hands. I haven't really thought this threw so there are probably some flaws.

Not a bad concept.

I hope they do a boom hand type promo like they did for zoom... or a straight flush + promo. Just adding 30% extra vpp or whatever is good for regs but after a week it's back to the same old. The key is to get new players.

I want to see a promotion where players get rewarded for playing a range of different games. Brand it as the 'Olympics of poker' or 'Decathlon of poker' or something. Maybe a series of tournaments with cumulative score. Tangential to this thread I know, but anything that shakes people out of their NLHE-is-the-only-game-that-exists torpor is good for us all.

I don't see a change As soon as a table starts dealing the grimmer takes the spawning table. When a previously running table breaks the table closes and the grimmer table stays. Incredibly unfair for the player at the closed table who has a legitimate right to start with the button against whoever joins and obviously very nice if youre the grimmer. At least for LHE, the youngest non-dealing table should always close.

Koth really needs to be implemented down to and including $1/2. Dozens of thieves still roaming around the clock



Very much worth mentioning as well are the semi-grimmers who plays a few orbits as the table fills and maybe 1 full 6 or 10 handed orbit.

While they surely cannot have as high BB/100 as for instance this online fraudster the basic premise stays exactly the same but the upside is that it doesn't attract as much attention/anger from other regs.

Math is fairly simple

Post <1/4 big blind in 4handed games
Post <1/5 big blind in 5handed games
Post <1/6 big blind in 6handed games

Mathematical losers in this well disguised scam would be the players who joins 5th and 6th.

In my opinion if a game starts (both heads up and 3-4 handed) the first player at the table should always start in big blind. While it sucks for for the player legitimately trying to start a game, giving grimmers and semi-grimmers as little table-starting edge as possible is much more important.

A few simple changes and its a

I think this would be worse than the current system. Grimmers would just ruthlessly hunt table starters, play their free hand(s) and leave. Because of this regulars would never table start, so the only players starting new tables would be recreational players. Now you have a constant stream of grimmers joining a recreational player's table, playing one hand, then leaving and the recreational player has no idea why this is going on.

brainstorming off this idea, and FTP's take2 promo, and the omaha VPP promo... earn +40% by playing LHE. and earn +60% when playing 2 tables or more. earn X VPPs and receive a free ticket to one of the LHE MTTs that will no doubt be running. "PooMania"

please please please schedule a huhu mtt. there is no way of playing hu lhe in any form of shootout. we dont even have 4-mans, which would be nice to add to the sng lobby btw.

Omania was:
$22 [PLO]..................$22 $5,000
$16.50 [PLO H/L].......$16.50 $5,000
$5.50 [PLO]...............$5.50 $5,000
$8.80 [NLO H/L] ........$8.80 $5,000
$33 [PLO]................. $33 $10,000
$27 [NLO H/L]...........$27 $5,000
$11 [PLO]..................$11 $3,000

PooMania could be:
$22 6max Shootout...$22 $5,000
$16.50 FR Shootout...$16.50 $5,000
$5.50 FR...................$5.50 $5,000
$8.80 6max...............$8.80 $5,000
$33 6max..................$33 $10,000
$27 Heads up............$27 $5,000
$11 4max..................$11 $3,000

this would be so awesome. 11 mtts over 11 days with a 10-game main event on sunday. $55 leadups. $215 main event.

'Decathlon of poker' would be perfect.

omg this!

I like the Poomania... I do think they'll pick another name though

PS Nick, could you comment on the waitinglist-scripts and not taking any seat at all "problem"?
Support says this is not prohibited. Is pokerstars thinking about doing something about this?
Right now it's not such a problem, since only one guy is doing this at my limits, but nothing stops 10 guys from joining every single waitinglist from 0.02/0.04 to 500/1k when they are afk.

Grimmers dont play regs until their last orbit before leaving and systematically playing one hand should be penalized quickly so your scenario seems unlikely to me. It cant be worse than it is now with the table starter always getting the button and seat 1 gets it if game starts 3+ handed. This flawed software is just a grimmers paradise.

If you dislike people using automated table selection tools you should sign this thread and hope Stars one day will ban these.

Inspired by this thread I was thinking that we should do a similar for PS LHE in this forum if players are willing to post screenshots and Stars reps would follow one such thread?

I don't dislike people using it and actually play, I dislike people who have it on and go for a wank or something.

Coming off the success of the Golden SNG promo (recs. love chasing the shot at the big score), if Stars wants to do a LHE promotion, some kind of high hand bonuses for a week would be pretty legit - i.e $$ every time you hit a certain hand strength, and daily/weekly leaderboard bonuses, by stakes etc. Full with some kind of visual display when a person hits a bonus hand.

It's one cash game where recs won't punt their entire stack to winning players chasing the high hand bonus, Stars rakes more of net depositors $$ in the game, and it's the thing rec. players love to chase that keeps them coming back for more. Listen to conversations at any live card room around the world (that has a HH bonus).

IMHO.

"Thanks to the 5 players who joined us on the Isle of Man for our PLO rake player meetings over the past 36 hours.

Effective July 1st, we are reducing rake for PL/NL Omaha (all variants) from $0.01/$0.02 through $0.10/$0.25, as per the below table:


We are proud to offer what we believe to be lower rake than any major competitor. This change makes our rake even lower for microstakes PLO. In addition, players at NL/PL games up to $0.05/$0.10 will continue to earn rewards faster due to their higher VPP multipliers compared to the 5.5x/6x offered at other games:

$0.01/$0.02: 10x
$0.02/$0.05: 8x
$0.05/$0.10: 6x"

Thats great, PLO microstakes was a rake trap. Can we expect anything similar for FL (or anything else, really anything that could improve just a little bit our beloved game)?

Well first we need LHE to be even brought up as by my count 3 reps swore up and down they'd discuss it but never got around to it.