It's an indulgence though isn't it you ****er. Enjoying a really good angry hateful offensive attitude without meaning anything much by it. It's why we enjoy stuff like Monty Python in full rant mode.

That's very different to real hatred and stuff that causes harm.

back up a little,

why is it illegal to walk around
in the state that you were when ejected out into this society?

before surgeons there was 4 choices. a little cock. a little hole, not really visible, a cock and an invisible hole or. i forgot the 4th choice. 2 *****? i apologize for being disstracted. i'm an old man now. it's not easy understanding what really matters to the young people of today. 2 *****. that's bigoted. 2 holes, and don't judge how many cylinders fit in those holes.

I also hate people who knowingly endanger other people for no reason. Tailgaters should be sterilized.

Failing to signal though...your hate spectrum is too wide, unhealthy levels of stress will result.

Hate should be an in-the-moment thing. Once it becomes doctrine it is very destructive both to the target and the source.

i was actually talking about real hate, albeit rarely part of the, physical, daily itinerary. i haven't kept proper track, but there are people among us who would happily kill you.



goodnight, good or bad bless, to all of you.

Have you ever shopped at hot topic?

There's a similar debate about trans people's access to certain rape crisis services. There are services that will deny trans people access to group counselling for instance on the grounds their presence would dissuade cis women from attending. Others will make decisions based on appearance which introduces a distinction between male to female trans people on grounds of gender normativity. It's incredible complex and one I struggle with.

Who can blame them. If I ever have a kid I hope they turn out to be someone who would happily kill me.

Seriously, I hope unlike some of them you appreciate the humour and affection in the personal stuff. I cant do real hatred but I do enjoy the indulgence. One day I hope we manage a full blown Derek and Clive pastiche. Not quite the same language but something in the style of this:

http://www.phespirit.info/derekandclive/live_02.htm
Absolutely not for reading by the sensitive.

A totally uninteresting piece of trivia is that I very vaguely know Tony Newly's daughter.

I think we're into semantics now (which means it's time for me to stop).

I think the comfort felt by people is equally legitimate. But that doesn't mean it should all be accommodated the same. Fairness isn't the same as equality.

My point wasn't that the guidelines are wrong. Just that its a complex issue and you guys were being dismissive of valid points being raised.

I see piece of **** captain tone police is back to follow me around and say dumb things. Oh well. Anyways.

I don't really think the standard we should hold ourselves to is "equally as bad as countries with terrible discriminatory policies". Now, of course, since LAS is a bigot he just really wants to take a shot at Muslims, but of course we should oppose discriminatory policies in the Middle East. We can do so without being bigots and, as Deuces pointed out, these aren't uniquely Muslim problems. See my past discussions with thekid on Brunei and Nigeria for further detail.

I also gain ask LAS, Howard, etc....have you had any interactions with trans people about what having to use the bathroom that doesn't correspond with their sex is like for trans kids? Because continuing to casually act as if sucking it up is a total non issue makes me think you haven't.

I also respect conservatives more than LAS apparently since he apparently thinks conservatism is define as bigoted views towards Muslims and trans people as well as support for criminals like the Bundys. I actually assume a lot of conservatives would reject the views LAS and his faction holds as dumb and bigoted.

As for the "why do there have to be laws issue" in relation to the guidance people are complaining about (which isn't a law), see North Carolina and other southern states which have passed or are looking to pass laws on this issue that discriminate against trans people. That's what the guidance is trying to preempt.

Where is the attack Wil?

Does this guy write bizarre, slightly disturbing **** like this on the regular? I had him ranked as the only poster more bland than jj but maybe I have been skipping over too much of his work.

It has plenty of stuff you can easily (and only) understand if you have a sense of humour - particularly for the ironic self-depreciating stuff. I'd hope you were up to that and not one of those determined to misunderstand.

If people take a cracking line like that seriously then what can you do but shrug.

Somehow the topic has never come up. I'd be interested if it's come up w/ anybody else in casual conversations.:roll eyes:

Additionally, not that you will pay any attention, the 'sucking it up is a total non issue' is an argument that I have not made. Reasonable accommodation is and if you think that a separate facility is a horror then I just disagree.

I also wonder what the trans kids have to say? Do they ALL insist on using the actual rest room/locker room of their identified sex or are they being 'pushed' into it? I've mentioned 'purity' above and I've a feeling that the LGBTQQ community is, myopically, responsible for this ridiculous insistence and if they'd take the 'separate facilities are fine' view then everybody would be fine w/ it. Instead I think that they are acting against their long term interests.

Yeah, so that's a no. Not shocking.

Maybe some trans only water fountains and they can ride on the back of the bus too.


Again, you don't seem to have read the guidance (if a trans student wants a private bathroom the school can say that's fine!" and, again, you ignore the history of civil rights progress. Pretty confident you'd have been on the wrong side of history and advising African Americans to accept separate but equal 60 years ago as well.

I'm bland? Dang.

That didn't take long.

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2016/05/17/s...-room-in-ross/

i moved those posts to moderation thread. continue that argument there.

i'll actually chime in later, because kerowo might have interpreted my request incorrectly.

i always find it disturbing that we have all these conversations about people and there is rarely a poster who is part of that population to give us personal perspective.

has anyone here here been personally affected by this issue?

It's highly unlikely. There are 8 times more Native Americans than there are Transgendered people in the United States, and I know zero Native Americans.

Obviously, that's just a little bit of humor, but there are so few transgender people in the US that it's almost comical we even have this discussion. From googling it seems there are about 700k transgender people in the US, so a fraction of 1%.

I have no idea how to break that number down further. Transexual, transgender, whatever. I knew some guys who were constantly involved in drag shows (and looked good, too), but I don't think they'd consider themselves "trans", they just liked dressing up like women.

http://www.livescience.com/50635-bru...revalence.html

The most frequently cited estimate is that 700,000 people in the United States, or about 0.2 to 0.3 percent of the population, are transgender, though some experts say the true number is probably greater than that. However, there aren't reliable statistics on this, because neither the U.S. Census Bureau nor the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention ask people in national surveys whether they identify themselves as being a gender different from the one indicated by their physical features at birth.

What does this have to do with schools? What do you mean by "didn't take long"? Given three people ITT have already talked about using women's facility as a man, what talisman do you think your proposed solution of (citation needed) would have?

I don't even understand this story. Department stores like this typically have a line of individual partitions (each with its own door or curtain), sometimes with men on one side and women on the other.

She's making it sound like she was expected to share a communal changing area with the "man". But her complaint wasn't that she saw a man in the dressing room, it was that she heard his voice. If you're in your own little changing closet, why would it matter who was in the next closet?

Most of these stories are going to be men who are going in there to prove their point. They aren't trans.

So is the argument because some guys want to be jackasses we should be bigoted towards trans people? That seems...odd.

Percentage should be ignored. 700K trans people is a large number and I'd advocate for accommodation if the number was far, far fewer. I'm a live and let live consensus building compromiser by nature and it seems to me that there's a way to handle w/e situation comes along if people are willing to be reasonable.

That LetsGambool character isn't that type, though. I would like to know how he got to talking w/ somebody who told him they were transgendered. For about a year there was a man dressed as a woman playing in our game and neither she, nor anybody else, made anything of it much less started a transgender discussion.

For starters, in online communities such as this, this topic being in the news has prompted trans members of these communities to share their stories.

I mean, you are here giving your thoughts on the subject, and you are a just a bigot who isn't affected by this looking to trash minority groups and beat down strawmen! Is it really that surprising that a trans person would share their story online with people once this became a topic many people are discussing?

Why cant the coloreds just stop rocking the boat and keep using separate water fountains? ---Howard Beale if he was alive in the 1950s