U.S. gives sweeping guidance to schools on transgender students.

First, how many transgender students can there be? And at what age is 'transgendered' determined?
Second, is it really THAT horrible that a boy that looks like a girl should be made to use the girl's room considering that that a transgender student is already going through who knows how much difficulty?
Third, how are schools supposed to pay for this (and how many additional facilities do they have to provide)?
Fourth, transgender locker rooms? How does that work?
Fifth: You're an insensitive bastard!

"Hey, transgendered kids already have a difficult life. So **** em"

"Schools might have to pay for a curtain and benches. TYRANNY THANKS OBAMA"

Compelling argument.

I don't think 'curtains and benches' are going to do it when it comes to bathrooms which have to be expensive to put in where there are none although I suppose some existing ones can be converted. Question is whether or not a boy/girl AND and girl/boy get their own. And the bigger the school the more are needed.

And there's still the question of when transgendered is determined.

Also, where do you put the curtains? In the front of the locker room so that everybody else passes through or at the back so that the transgender has to see what they might not want to?

I see you are from the "don't bother to read your own link" school of posting. Curtains and benches being added....literally a specific example of the kind of things schools can do in order to be compliant. Sure I guess in some cases schools will have to pony up the 0.002% of the school budget and add a bathroom. Sure sounds like a great reason to **** over transgender people.

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I think most of us understand the term transgendered. Why don't you understand the term?

And do you really think a transgendered person is going to have any more proclivity at peaking at somebody elses genitals in the bathroom than anyone else? lol

The other students deserve no consideration? And, btw, it'll cost a fortune and in a State like AZ, where there's a huge school funding fight going on this election cycle, it's a serious matter.

I know you are one of the olds, but dude, this is the same type of argument bigots made when they rallied against gays being able to adopt and marry.

What are you protecting students from exactly? Do you think transgendered kids are going to do funny business in the bathroom or something?

Read your own link for ****s sake. Like
Citation needed.

Why are you talking about new bathrooms, converting bathrooms, or trans people getting their own bathrooms?

Also, you might be surprised to learn how many trans people are out there. I recently learned that there are an estimated 15K trans people in the military and 130K trans vets.

Probably because in his usual rush to lash out at others he doesn't understand, he didn't read the letter or accompanying document. I mean, it only says that the desired outcome is not ordering trans people to use their own bathrooms and lists several virtually cost free ways to comply with the guidance.

This might be dumber than the terrible recent alpha argument that we shouldn't have gay marriage because it costs money to hire extra clerks and judges to process those marriages.

Where is this debate going when we get to p.e. classes, intramural sports?

Where do these identified children fit into the locker rooms and showers?

Bec there needs to be a place to put this sign:

Why doesn't the government offer some kind of sweeping guidance that might help address these kinds of questions?

So far I haven't cared much for the government's sweeping guidance, tbh.

What does a picture of a gender-neutral bathroom have to do with the DOJ guidance? Are they even mentioned, much less mandated, in the letter?

And what about gay guys looking at my wiener? Shouldn't we have a separate bathroom for the gays, since we all know it's unnatural, they're sex predators, whatever other absolute nonsense argument there is against the trans community.

You haven't even bothered to read what the guidance is! You're hopping mad because transgendered people are in the news and aren't being belittled.

Good read.:roll eyes:

I'm having trouble finding the actual letter so maybe you can provide a link. However I did find this part in the NYT article:

So single user facilities aren't good enough. This is just dumb. Let me ask this: Have any of you ever interfered in a parent/child interaction that you didn't approve of? I know that I wouldn't dare bec the parent is either going to go after me worse than at the kid or I might get punched in the face. Parents draw the line when it comes to their children. If there's ANY chance that their 12 year old daughter might see Joe's/Joy's penis there's going to be a problem. And O just handed TRUMP and certainly the local R's a huge favor.

Good enough for what? I honestly don't see how you get this from the sentence you quoted. It says schools can't single out trans students and require them to use individual-user facilities. Here's the letter.

The letter is in the link that you posted Howard! With a link to supplemental guidance as well! I even pointed out that you didn't read your own link by apparently you are so ****ing dumb that you still can't figure it out in your rage that transgenders aren't being treated like circus freaks. I mean all the issues you are complaining about are literally directly addressed in the guidance document in the article that you linked to including concerns of other students and their parents.


This is embarasssing even by your standards of being a dumb quasi bigot.

Thanks for the link. I'll quote this:

Seems pretty clear that requiring transgender students to use single use restrooms is 'not good enough.' And it says that a trans boy/girl must be allowed to use the girls room and vice-versa.

This part is ridiculous, iyam. The school must accommodate a 7 y.o. on the basis of his/her statements alone?

Does this mean that Molly may be required to room w/ Joe/Jane?

W/E it's merits the timing of this is incredibly stupid.

Precisely. So the thing you were so concerned about, the huge expense of school districts having to build millions of brand new gender-neutral single-user bathrooms, is not actually being mandated, or even suggested. Problem solved!

Problem solved? lol, 'problem solved.' More like 'problem even worse.' Just what do you think is going to happen when parents learn that their 12 y.o. daughters are going to be sharing their locker rooms w/ persons w/ penises?

Sure, go right ahead and give the R's a tremendous issue just in time for an election. GG, Obama, how stupid can you be?

Actually, it was a pretty good read because...

Yeah, no ****, dude. You quite obviously didn't bother trying to find and read it in the first place --that was my point! Before even trying to understand the basic facts at hand you came here to bitch. You're a greedy, toxic old man who's pissy because transgendered people are treated with an incredibly minor degree of respect. This will never ever inconvenience you in the slightest, but you're still having yourself a good cry. For real, GFY.