What about all the phone calls I made to people, begging for Stein votes? Are you going to forgive me those?

Or what about the DNC rigging the election against a viable general candidate in favor of a hated, despised, polarizing figure who, debate the 'legality' of it all you want, is clearly corrupt to the gills. The blame should end and begin there. Bernie was my compromise, and a guy who polls suggest could have won. The evidence of Clinton's vulnerability was everywhere. I pointed it out to you right here, far before the election. Did you vote for Bernie in the primary? If not, then save some blame for yourself. Maybe we've lit the country on fire, but don't blame the people screaming at the top of their lungs about the flammability of HRC. You did this, not me.

I am not saying this thread is not for nicknames. I am saying this time is not for nicknames. Can you understand the difference? I am not arguing that it makes one bit of difference whether you, individually, make up names for Trump or not. I am talking about the tactics used by people at large against this person whom you also seem to be against.

As this is unchained, I am allowed whatever hijack I can pull off. Don't tell me about unchained, son. It's stupid to proclaim this forum is for poo-flinging and then turn around and object to hijacks. That's just stupid. If poo flinging is allowed then that implies hijacking is allowed, idiot. You make a thread about "hey let's pointlessly keep making fun of Trump with words while he destroys the country with actions" and I will let you know what I think of that strategy. It's pure cowardly denial of the real situation.

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Dunces McImbecile is in no way anti-McKracken. I hold Ill Deuces in very high esteem, even if he's a raging anti-Semite. Because I'm a nice guy.

The world would be a vicious, ugly place without the influence of Christian Europeans and their descendants. They forced the end of slavery, particularly the massive trade among Muslims and North Africans; established the norm of country self determination; emancipated women; protected the young from sexual exploitation; established the idea of human rights enshrined in law; secularized government; fought against racism in its various forms; and civilized various vicious, barbaric tribes around the world, mostly by spreading Christianity and law.

Can you name a religion or culture that has reformed itself into something more enlightened, that isn't Christian European? As far as I can see, it's never happened. The Chinese and Japanese were barbaric toward their neighbors and their own people (the Chinese still harbor a deep racism and pride that has yet to disappear; the Japanese were only subdued and reeducated by America occupation post WWII), Americans Indians and South Americans were truly brutal to one another, Africa was a hellhole, Hindu India was a hellhole (and still is), and Muslim lands had a widespread culture of slavery and treating women as chattels. Perhaps the Buddhists alone had a civilized culture, and their influence didn't spread far. Perhaps the Jews are another (tiny minority) success story, but they were deeply embedded in Europe. Even worse, in some areas, religion was replaced with the repressive horrors of secular communism.

So no, I don't think these places and cultures will reform from within. The only reason they're somewhat more enlightened than they were is because Europeans have spread civilization and civilized ideas and ideals.

One day I hope to find a graphic I love so much I keep a picture of it in my wallet like a child or significant other.

People would be showing me their kids, and I'd be all "Here's some ambiguous data I once found a visual representation of".

Hold up, are you saying every single Muslim in the world was polled, while hooked to a lie-detector, or, like, what's going on here?

He has a blown-up version of that thang attached to the ceiling above his bed, you know it's true.

Who needs polls? We can derive it from first principle. Don't even need Qur'anic verse if you are intelligent enough. Descartes proved this ****, yo. Tooth Fairy is a goddamn breakthrough in Western thought. It's actually incredible that he isn't taken seriously. We have nothing to lose but our unchains.

I totally love how he addressed me by name, with the proper spelling, using an Arabic numeral.

Damn man, you've been missing out.

Also, I do my best work here. Allah's work, if you will.

Of course you concede 'numerals' to the horde. My greatest granddaddy scratched off yet-to-be-discovered physics in Chauvet with one arm, and killed a wild boar for supper with the other. Great advancements were happening, man. Just look who 'discovered' the cave: Eliette Brunel-Deschamps, Christian Hillaire, and Jean-Marie Chauvet? That's right. Hypen Duchamp, Deschamp, potato, patato. The Fountain. Think about it. This goes deep, so deep. My conspiracies are the greatest of all. And they're true!

Allah, Peace Be Upon Me, summoned me here.

We must unchain our human melody. The righteous brothers were prophets. I have come not fulfill the manifest destiny, but to intensify the fault in our stars. No more pipelines. Just lining pipe. Hear my call. Bear witness. It's man vs. wild out there. Nature is an orgy of self-destruction. This is why Allah created man. This is why we pray. Just... just to make it today.

But you see I don't share your opinion Hillary was all that bad. There were bad things, okay, but nothing close to the level of Trump. Not close in scale or size. Not close!

Honestly, all the Bernie and Stein love makes about as much sense to me as Occupy Wall Street: that is none. I never heard a coherent argument about wtf any of those kids were doing out there. You can't find a job in your field because of what, globalization? Boo hoo, go get a job in HVAC or sell cars. Or better yet, get a degree in engineering or economics or something useful you bozos.

Maybe I'm just an old who trusts free markets too much but damn it things are so much better now than they were when I was younger, and much more than my dads and grampas generation. That is, besides music and movies, but you get what I mean. I never had so much to keep me entertained before the internet and smart phones. Everything is so much bigger and cheaper and faster. We can credit globalization.

I don't agree with you on foreign affairs either. Basically, I don't agree with many of your stances because frankly they seem like those of a new college graduate who's too confident in his book learning without knowing how little you actually know, an attitude like much of Europe who have been able to live carefree under the sweet warm glove of the US military and yet always coming out to bite that hand or at least scream like teenagers forced to play by their parents rules. It all just seems too childish, which is what not bucking up and voting for the lesser of two evils is when given the choice between a safe four more years of the same slow steady progress or a high speed chase down Mordor in the winter without guard rails on acid.

But really I'm just jerking your chain a bit, deuce.

How about 'Worm your honour'

It's a place where personal attacks go both ways. There's none of the 'it's not a personal attack if we think it's true or justified' thingy

That does unfortuately lend itself to it just becoming mostly poo-flinging though it may surface above te sea of ****. Another approach would simply be to not allow personal attacks in content threads

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Screw off you dirty hippie!

After he invades Mexico, cleans up the drug gangs, makes it the 51st US state, and offers prosperity for all, they'll probably call him El God.

Yes, and I support that idea in theory. Adding a bit of forced decency could help foster meaningful discussion, like rules against personal attacks, attack the argument not the arguer. So long as the rules are enforced with a measure of viewpoint neutrality, ie, the moderator punishes everyone for the same offense, regardless of his personal stance, that could work very well.

Apparently that is extremely difficult to do in practice, however, especially for a moderator with strong and passionate opinions. That's why I've suggested only slightly tongue in cheek, that Ikes be modded in P as a bit of balance to Wookie. While I doubt either could be neutral alone, combined I think they would keep the place pretty cordial.

We won't ever know how dangerous she would have been as president, and that's a good thing. Trump is trollish, incompetent, racist, stupid, etc. But what I see in Hillary is pure nihilist evil. I think a lot of people saw that, an they see it because, as people, we have intuition about other people.

That intuition explains a lot of the crazy talk about aliens, lizards, cults, etc. These are insane conspiracy theories of course, but I think at their core they are metaphors generated from human intuition. Hillary Clinton is not a normal human being. She's pretty much a psychopath. I am glad that we won't have the opportunity to gather more evidence as to that.

I'll give you that the Occupy Wall Street movement was not entirely coherent in its aims or gripes. But lack of jobs due to globalization wasn't near the top of the list, though that was a concern. It was more so a reaction to the financialization of the economy. More than 40% of all corporate profits are going into the financial sector. This is an inequality generating mechanism, traced entirely to corporate influence on government. We know, as many mainstream studies have established, that the financial sector is simply gambling for free and parasitizing the country. They aren't providing social value commensurate with their profits. They make money through pure corruption, and that is money which should be going into wages for working people. Not to mention they are putting their money into tax havens. Not only are they taking too much money but they are flagrantly laundering it. I think if you actually understood what is going on you would be pissed.

Towards your understanding, you don't have to listen to street protestors to get a coherent argument. This article by Bloomberg (can't get more mainstream) links to a study by an IMF researcher shows how finance sector profits come from implicit taxpayer guarantees against failure. It's not all about manufacturing jobs. It's about plain equity and the rule of law.

This is all against a backdrop of wage stagnation continuous for 30+ years. We know that that level of wealth and income inequality is not sustainable, that it leads to social upheaval. We haven't seen the real revolt yet. This Trump/Sanders scare is just a preview.

You're old enough to have lived through 2008, right? I ask because you sound about like an eight-year-old. It's like you lived through the Chicago fire and, because your individual house didn't burn down, you say "Maybe I'm an old and I trust wood construction too much." Did you not notice the global meltdown attributable to "free markets"? You're oblivious to anything until it hits you in the gut, like a child. Unfortunately the country is now full of children like you, completely oblivious to what is coming.

I tend not to appreciate that sweet warm glove because it's always going in my ****ing pocket. In fact, I think that's its main purpose. I feed it, it doesn't feed me. It takes my money and uses it to protect the wealth of people I despise, needlessly making enemies in the process. The threat of Russia was overblown. The threat of terrorism is overblown, but our government is reaching for every antagonism possible to make that threat everything they want it to be. The plan seems to be to drone strike innocent people, maintain despotism or destroy every society in the Middle East to control the energy there, and hopefully that will create enough violent backlash to scare the children (like you) into giving them the money to keep the whole thing going.

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