zikzak, you are right I am repeating the same exact **** over and over again. And just like every other time I have been accused of doing this someone else questioned me about my stance or brought it up so I would have to repeat myself.

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Who gives a ****? If we burnt poor minorities for fuel, would that finally make you happy or would you bitch that we were spending too much on feeding them while we waited to incinerate them? Its about as relevant of a question.

We already know that it comes down to is you being a spiteful ******* because you believe that we have too many government assistance programs and don't like that the poor vote for different candidates than you do. Much as we can all tell you are a racist, we can all tell that you are a spiteful *******. This isnt difficult.

Which one of the following proposals is actually indicative of something that is happening.
--Voter ID laws are being expanded
--All government assistance program checks are being quadrupled

When did it go from poor people to poor minorities? Even if I wanted to burn poor people for fuel I already said that entitlement reform is too hard, we could never do this....wat?

If I am spiteful for wanting to take money from the poor aren't you spiteful for wanting to take money from the rich?

What is the point of your last paragraph? If you don't think its possible for entitlements to quadruple use a number that you are comfortable with and ask your self the same question. The point is that instead of offering free IDs we should charge people for them and if you want to make sure every poor person can afford them then you should raise entitlement checks.

Or, rather than some convoluted mess about adjusting entitlement spending levels, we can just give them ID's. Seems pretty simple really as long as your goal isnt to prevent the poor from voting (hint: your goal is to prevent them from voting).

BTW this

is the kind of derp that got you banned from politics.

The point of the last paragraph was to point out that your question is idiotic, you asked me whether I would have different thoughts on a policy that is actually happening if some policy that is never, ever going to happend occured.

The reason you raise entitlement instead of giving away free IDs is because a lot of people have already spent money on an IDs. This punishes people who already spent $$ on IDs in the same way that the free $8k for a 1st time home (from 4 or 5 years ago) purchase people who already own a home and ppl who can't afford to buy one.

Can you answer me why the two are different? At least my intentions are to help the poor and middle class a lot. Most liberals (and probably you too) will support any cause that will hurt rich people. That is spite.

Both policy are happening. However, one of them I exaggerated to make my point. You still haven't answered my question if you still think the rich should pay for the "free IDs" if entitlements went up x% (where x is some number that you think is a lot, but is a reasonable amount that could actually happen).

Oh, gee, now everything has to be about being fair now that it effects bahbah. waaaaaah, those lucky ducky poors get a free ID. Waaaaaahhhhh I didnt get part of the tax credits. Thats not faiiiiiiirrrrrrrrrr.

Unless you were born into ****ty circumstances or inheiriting dynastic wealth. Then **** fairness, pull those boot straps up son.

The fact that you cant tell why proposing voter ID laws and then deducting the costs from a voter ID is super spiteful, I cant help you. Since you couldnt be helped, you got the ban stick. That simple.

Also you dip****, for now Im rich, so Im pretty sure Im not spite taking money from myself.

No both policies aren't happening. You are a stupid, stupid man. What you are trying to do is construct a policy to get poor people to vote less. You are fooling exactly zero people.

There is also the alternative of not instituting strict Voter ID laws since they arent solving an actual problem.

God, every time I engage with you I move further left politically just to get further away from the derp.

That's how I ended up campaigning for Obama in 2012.

What? I took the free $8k so this isn't about me getting screwed, but good guess. I can't believe a liberal just tried to give me **** about making an argument about fairness while he was arguing to increase government benefits for poor people.

I was poor when I was working part time and in college. I was benefiting from low taxes on people w/ lower income and when I got the free $8k for a home I thought it was a terrible idea and thought the US government shouldn't have done it. So I guess you can't say I am doing it out of spite either.