Too overt lately though IMO.

Yeah, when I spot it you have gone too far.

thekid made a good case for humans to just accept and be happy about any and all public displays of love and affection. Based on just a glimpse of the present and history, we need all the exposure to genuine caring we can get.

I love this charge of attention whoring. Sam was a high profile college player. He had come out as gay to his entire college team. His sexuality was sure to be an news item by the time the draft came around.

He chose to control the message instead of waiting to be publicly outed. LOL at criticizing him for that.

If there's anything more annoying than a silverbug, it's a homophobic, racist silverbug.

Is this a trick question? You realize that Michael Sam's boyfriend isn't going to jump through the TV screen and kiss you, right?

Sam was the SEC defensive player of the year. Before he put up marginal numbers at the combine there was a perception that he would be drafted much higher than the 7th round

I think the pre combine analysis had Sam as a 3rd-4th round pick. Much lower than other SEC defensive players of the year but his size was a known issue.

But think of the children!

Boyd is black.

That sounds right. I remember hearing 3rd round. Height was a known issue.

It is so overkill. There is a miniature jumbotron that hands from the ceiling where I play poker, every 7 mins there has to be the same clip of him kissing his boy toy. Most everyone at the table is basically like do we have to see this CONSTANTLY.

If someone is indifferent to a man and a man kissing v.s. a man and a woman kissing……well guess what? They don't show the Man kissing his girlfriend 900 times the next day after he gets drafted.

I know.

But I don't enjoy watching it, especially as much as they show it. Got a problem with me not liking watching them do that?

He can do whatever he wants. I'm not going to tell him he can't let the camera crew come in so he can show America kissing his boy toy.

He is more of a douche than anything else for making such a spectacle of it.

WHY DID THAT UPPITY BOY MAKE SUCH A SPECTACLE OF IT BY COMING OUT TO HIS TEAMMATES, ASKING TO BE TREATED LIKE A REGULAR PLAYER, AND SHARING HIS EXCITEMENT WITH HIS BOYFRIEND

This never would have happened it the glory days of 1912 when men were men and money was money.

Lol Silverman

If its NFL draft day, and all of a sudden two men start kissing each other on ESPN, folks will in turn have a viewpoint. Its wrong to expect everyone to agree that the kiss on ESPN was ok, just as some folks disagree with Islam or Christianity.

We have freedom to agree or disagree, at least here in PU

I apologize in advance as this is on my phone and there will be multiple break marks etc etc. But I have spent some time reading through this whole thing and all I can think of where Silverman is coming from is the bill burr special where he looks up and sees two guys at an outdoor cafe just making out and he just wasn't ready and his response is ... Yuck and a look away and a female friend starts to call him a homophobe. He then goes on to explain that he just wasn't ready for it. If we were in the village.... Or a gay bar I'd be ready but I was in my own head I had to get my car fixed get groceries look up wham there it is. Two dudes huge beards going at it. What am I supposed to do to make me a not homophobe???? Cheer them on?? Yea get em Jonny play with his chest hair!!!! I just wasn't ready.

I am in the camp that I watch sports for sports and that is the only thing that matters. If Kobe raped her if OJ killed her if Hernandez did it, Tiger woods Darren Sharper, Collin Kapernick, Ray Lewis Michael Vick, Asante Samuel, Big Ben, Barry Bonds, A rod.. You get my point sports should be sports. But now unfortunately it isn't it is a 24 hour circus. And these are high profile people so it comes with the territory. It should be sports.

That being said I think a lot of it is for show. It's better story than mante teo last year isn't it? Also there was a female softball player who was supposed to represent the US team that came out as straight and it was met with such harsh reprimand as though it was making a mockery of it. Some people take pride in it other people are indifferent,however, hatred because of it either way is unacceptable. I have played multiple rugby tourney with the Philadelphia griffons an all gay team and when they needed extra players due to injury I helped fill their side. It's not a big deal I wasn't expecting an imptoptu advance by one of the players.

I have many gay friends and it's not something I would ever want to be a part of but it doesn't change how I view them. If rob is being a douche and I call him out on it it's not because he's gay its because he's being a douche. But we have to tolerate everyone I understand that but we don't necessarily have to agree with it. In a lot of cases it does get pushed way over the line for some to make it more of a media circus for sensationalist journalism to sell airtime interviews and stories. As was the case I believe for Michael Sam. I went to college with a current 3 time super bowl champion. And a current cb who just resigned a 5 year deal and both were drafted in the 5-7 th round and got 0 attention from the media. Probably 1 because they came from d2 schools but 2 there was no sensationalist audience to appeal to.

I do think that there are enough of the look at me look at me I'm gay and it's okay flamboyant style that do ruin it for the people like Jason Collins who do it and do it quietly and keep it private. It is the flambouancy and in your face over the top attitude some people have that puts so many especially extremely conservative people off to the idea. That is just my two cents but I think it is a very interesting conversation to keep continuing.

What? That was all fine. Coming out to his teammates? Totally cool and respectable. Sharing his excitement with his boyfriend? Sounds good to me.

Letting cameras come in so he could show the world that he is kissing his boy toy is lame. Not a top talent prospect so he didn't deserve that kind of air time.

This is going to shock you, but watching two men kiss won't turn someone gay. As far as their watching the draft, depending on how old your definition of "kids" is, I doubt all that many very young ones were watching the back end of Round 7, which was entirely composed of people they'd never heard of.

Thanks so much Goofy!

huh?

By this logic, you should be irate at their showing of half-naked cheerleaders. Or scantily clad Rihanna or Britney etc doing a halftime performance in the NFL/NBA. Or the ogling of AJ Mccarron's girlfriend. Or umpteen kisses between male draftee/female signif other.

Somehow, I don't think you'll be jamming in responses in related threads about those activities.

Your closing sentence about the 11 year olds watching the draft. You're using the same logic as most other extreme conservatives - that this activity is somehow harmful and behavior altering viewing for young children.

Give me a break...