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Is this what the NFL needs? (Michael Sam UNCHAINED) Is this what the NFL needs? (Michael Sam UNCHAINED)

05-12-2014 , 09:14 AM
In prison is OJ a top or a bottom?
05-12-2014 , 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by SmokeyJ


You're not fooling anybody with this. You've already shown you think ESPN is wrong for exposing kids to two men kissing:
I mean, I wish there was some way I could convince you of this, but it is true.If ESPN fuzzed out Sam giving his BF a kiss in the appropriate setting to show him off as a top pick, I would have JUST as much problem (maybe even more) than the fact that they went out of their way to show a 7th round picks reaction to being picked, knowing what would be seen after the announcement.
05-12-2014 , 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by LetsGambool
If your problem is that kids shouldn't be watching it, then it doesn't matter what round he was drafted in when they showed the guys kissing.

Its not though. Your problem is that you think guys kissing is icky.
No my problem is live TV with families and kids watching the program being forced to see it. ESPN went out of their way to show a most likely practice squad player kiss his boyfriend. I'm not cool with that.

If he is a top 10 prospect and gets called up and smooches his boyfriend just like we see all the other players called up smooching their girlfriends, then I'm totally cool with that.

I think it is icky, but it amounts to an "ew" in my own head for 3 seconds and that's all.
05-12-2014 , 09:23 AM
You wish there was a way, but there isn't, because your words told us exactly how you feel:

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Originally Posted by Silver_Man2
You don't think there are 11 year old kids out there watching to see who is picked next? and then bam two dudes kissing. uhhh wtf?
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Originally Posted by Silver_Man2
You don't think there are 11 year old kids out there watching to see who is picked next? and then bam two dudes kissing. uhhh wtf?
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Originally Posted by Silver_Man2
You don't think there are 11 year old kids out there watching to see who is picked next? and then bam two dudes kissing. uhhh wtf?
Unfortunate, but there it is. If you actually cared about any of the stuff you're saying, you wouldn't be using the sensibilities of bigots as an excuse to censor a kiss. If someone ranted to you about 11 year olds seeing a straight kiss on TV, or seeing a straight player kiss his gf after being drafted, you would lol at them, which is exactly what we are doing to you.

To borrow from gambool: 'Always and forever, lol silverman'
05-12-2014 , 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by ChrisV

- Couples giving each other a golden shower
Now these are fun
05-12-2014 , 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Silver_Man2
I'm not saying that coming from me. If a parent doesn't mind there 11 year old watching it, why should I care?

Believe it our not though, there are actually parents out there who are repulsed by watching a man kissing a man and don't want their 8th grader seeing it either.

What do you say to them?
What is appropriate for an 8th-grader to see on TV is a decision made by the community. We don't base our standards on the most conservatve elements of the community.

This is how the 1896 film "The Kiss" was received by audiences:

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The film caused a scandalized uproar and occasioned disapproving newspaper editorials and calls for police action in many places where it was shown. One contemporary critic wrote: "The spectacle of the prolonged pasturing on each other's lips was beastly enough in life size on the stage but magnified to gargantuan proportions and repeated three times over it is absolutely disgusting."
What do you think is an appropriate response to that? Does "get over it" seem about right? It's the same here, you're just on the wrong side of history this time. Families can always join the Amish if they disapprove of community standards.
05-12-2014 , 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by SmokeyJ
You wish there was a way, but there isn't, because your words told us exactly how you feel:







Unfortunate, but there it is. If you actually cared about any of the stuff you're saying, you wouldn't be using the sensibilities of bigots as an excuse to censor a kiss. If someone ranted to you about 11 year olds seeing a straight kiss on TV, or seeing a straight player kiss his gf after being drafted, you would lol at them, which is exactly what we are doing to you.

To borrow from gambool: 'Always and forever, lol silverman'
Well, I don't see a man kissing a man as the same as a man kissing a woman. That is why I would laugh if someone said that to me.
05-12-2014 , 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by SmokeyJ
Believe it our not though, there are actually parents out there who are repulsed by watching a a black man kissing a white woman and don't want their 8th grader seeing it either.

Go back a bit through history and it's exactly the same. Nobody care if a bunch of bigots have their #feelings hurt by something that non-bigots don't find offensive. It isn't illegal to show it, so ESPN will show it whenever the **** like. If you're offended, don't watch. If you don't want your kid seeing that, then stop them watching the channel. This is your right, just as it is ESPN's right to show two men kissing.
This. The community - jointly - decides what is acceptable and enforces broadcasts standards in the form of laws. I don't give a **** if some crybaby doesn't like the laws. Don't watch TV then.

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Originally Posted by ChrisV
Couples giving each other a golden shower
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Originally Posted by Silver_Man2
Now these are fun
**** just got weird.
05-12-2014 , 09:31 AM
There were cameras in many, many notable players households. Tahj Boyd got drafted in like the 6th round and we got a long interview with him from his house.

P.S. Boyd's girlfriend was white and they kissed!
05-12-2014 , 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by ChrisV
What is appropriate for an 8th-grader to see on TV is a decision made by the community. We don't base our standards on the most conservatve elements of the community.

This is how the 1896 film "The Kiss" was received by audiences:



What do you think is an appropriate response to that? Does "get over it" seem about right? It's the same here, you're just on the wrong side of history this time. Families can always join the Amish if they disapprove of community standards.
I don't care about films having men kissing in them.

Pretty easy to not let your kid go see brokeback mountain. You can't even get in to see Brokeback Mountain if you are 11.

Tad different than watching to see who your beloved Rams are going to take in the 7th round and then 8 seconds later two dudes kissing.
05-12-2014 , 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
There were cameras in many, many notable players households. Tahj Boyd got drafted in like the 6th round and we got a long interview with him from his house.

P.S. Boyd's girlfriend was white and they kissed!
I don't think I'm alone in saying that the spectacle of the prolonged pasturing on each other's lips was beastly enough in life size on the stage but magnified to gargantuan proportions it was absolutely disgusting.
05-12-2014 , 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by ChrisV





**** just got weird.
If I could only divulge
05-12-2014 , 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by forchar
He can kiss his boyfriend all he wants - but does it really need to be done on TV?
They show draftees kissing their girlfriends and wives on TV all the time, does that bother you?
05-12-2014 , 09:35 AM
If we all post pics of dudes kissing, maybe silver will go away?
05-12-2014 , 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Silver_Man2
I don't care about films having men kissing in them.

Pretty easy to not let your kid go see brokeback mountain. You can't even get in to see Brokeback Mountain if you are 11.

Tad different than watching to see who your beloved Rams are going to take in the 7th round and then 8 seconds later two dudes kissing.
But this is all predicated on the argument that there's something wrong with kids (or anyone else) seeing dudes kissing, an argument you are yet to make.

Instead the argument you have made is that there are people who don't want to see that. So? There are people who don't want to see religions other than Christianity depicted as legitimate. There are people who don't want to see breastfeeding on TV. There are people who don't want to see women with uncovered hair. So ****ing what?
05-12-2014 , 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Silver_Man2
What is the difference between the two???

Nobody ever heard of Sterling before a month ago. Just like nobody has heard of Don Jones.

Unknown owner and unknown current player.

One said it privately and one said it on twitter.

Because I don't understand why ESPN would want to broadcast a guy kissing another guy. It is a sports network. And they know kids are watching and know that there are lots of parents out there that don't want to have their young kids seeing that.

You don't think there are 11 year old kids out there watching to see who is picked next? and then bam two dudes kissing. uhhh wtf?
You clearly have no grasp of the concepts you are talking about. Sterling has been a well-known owner (for poor reasons) for as long as he's owned the Clippers.
05-12-2014 , 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by ChrisV
But this is all predicated on the argument that there's something wrong with kids (or anyone else) seeing dudes kissing, an argument you are yet to make.

Instead the argument you have made is that there are people who don't want to see that. So? There are people who don't want to see religions other than Christianity depicted as legitimate. There are people who don't want to see breastfeeding on TV. There are people who don't want to see women with uncovered hair. So ****ing what?
Well said.
05-12-2014 , 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
There were cameras in many, many notable players households. Tahj Boyd got drafted in like the 6th round and we got a long interview with him from his house.

P.S. Boyd's girlfriend was white and they kissed!
Boyd was a name player going into this past season and a QB.

Wasn't there talk last year of him possibly being the 1st QB taken this year?
05-12-2014 , 09:48 AM
So Silverman is OUTRAGED that two guys were seen kissing, but would not be outraged if it happened in the first round or if the guy was a quarterback. Just happens to be that in the one situation where two dudes actually kissed Silverman was outraged. Surrreeeellly has nothing to do with being a bigot.

A mod making Sam kissing the guy into avatar size and then making it Silverman's avatar would be the boss move of all time. I will donate $500 to the charity choice of any mod that does this.
05-12-2014 , 09:49 AM
Some people don't want to see ignorant bigots on the internet forums.

I'll taking public displays of affection over public displays of bigotry everyday.
05-12-2014 , 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by ChrisV
But this is all predicated on the argument that there's something wrong with kids (or anyone else) seeing dudes kissing, an argument you are yet to make.
Not going to make arguments for other people who have their reasons for not wanting their kids to see two dudes kissing. People have them and they exist, that is good enough for me. And ESPN knows this, yet went out of their way to force their ideas on people who have different feelings and belief systems on it, who just want to see football players get drafted and to what teams.

Personally, I think it is wrong because that is my natural response to it. I'm not going to freak out or tell someone else that's gross that you don't mind seeing that, but I am not going to sit their and watch them kiss and think it is the same as a man kissing a woman, even when I don't freak out about it.
05-12-2014 , 09:57 AM
FORCE THEIR IDEAS ON AMERICA

As opposed to those patriots at the Bundy Ranch who are literally pulling drivers over and asking them for their papers (see, since Silverman likes theeeeyyy diiiid itttt tooooo arguments)
05-12-2014 , 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by LetsGambool
So Silverman is OUTRAGED that two guys were seen kissing, but would not be outraged if it happened in the first round or if the guy was a quarterback.
No, my point was that nobody knew who Sam was until after this season.

If Sam never came out of the closet, there would have been no cameras at his house.

Boyd was a national name player because of his talent and being a QB obviously helps that too.

And yes, zero problem with them showing him kiss his boy toy if he was a top talent up their getting recognized for being a top talent.
05-12-2014 , 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by LetsGambool
FORCE THEIR IDEAS ON AMERICA
Yeah, it is a sports channel bro.
05-12-2014 , 09:58 AM
Good point, probably no one has heard of the SEC defensive player of the year. Pretty sure those games are only available on local access TV.

      
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