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What is happening with Republicans and Putin? What is happening with Republicans and Putin?

12-19-2016 , 10:34 PM
These poll results surprised me:



Favorable views of Putin among republicans are up from 17% to 37%. Maybe some of the 37% are here to explain it a little better. I would presume that in 2014, the vast majority of republicans viewed him unfavorably because he is a murderous, corrupt dictator with no respect for free speech and human rights and generally an adversary of US/western interests. So for his favorability to take such a wild swing upward in such a short time, I assume he must have done something really great since then, right? Please help me understand.
12-19-2016 , 10:58 PM
It's pretty simple. He showed he wants peace with America. He showed he's a realist on Islamic terror, willing to attack them rather than arm and fund ISIS as Obama did. He simply got more visibility on these issues and they're issues important to Republicans.

The defcon nuclear warning dropped from a rapidly increasing score thanks to Obama and Clinton agitation and stupidity, to its lowest level in years on Trump's election. That's because Putin genuinely wants peace and shared sane goals as long as he's left alone and he's not dealing with insane, terrorist arming, civilian killing, war prolonging losers like Obama. A lot of Republicans have simply realised this as Putin has been in the headlines.
12-19-2016 , 11:26 PM
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Originally Posted by ToothSayer
It's pretty simple. He showed he wants peace with America.
What did he do to show this? And when were we at war?

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He showed he's a realist on Islamic terror, willing to attack them rather than arm and fund ISIS as Obama did. He simply got more visibility on these issues and they're issues important to Republicans.
You realize Putin has been fighting Islamists literally the entire time he's been in power right? I mean, if people didn't know that about him, the **** do they know?
12-20-2016 , 12:06 AM
I think you missed the increasing hostilities under the Obama Clinton axis. Defcon don't put their nuclear threat level increasingly up for nothing. Putin had had enough.

As for people not knowing what's going on in Syria, Americans on both sides are pretty ignorant of politics. Most liberals for example have no idea that Obama armed and funded ISIS and his policies are responsible for creating them and letting them grow.

As for the rest, visibility is popularity, particularly for people little known in detail and cast as demons. Trump proved that.
12-20-2016 , 12:24 AM
It's pretty simple: Republicans in 2016 are complete idiots who have now latched onto someone they absolutely hated six weeks ago because he's in bed with The Orange Clown.

Remember, 65% of these people have continued to insist that Obama is a Kenyan Muslim.
12-20-2016 , 12:25 AM
Technically, he is a Kenyan Muslim.

edit: I love your butt hurt on this election

Last edited by ToothSayer; 12-20-2016 at 12:26 AM. Reason: It's delicious.
12-20-2016 , 01:07 AM
Republicans are thankful that Putin helped Trump get elected...Duh!
12-20-2016 , 01:15 AM
Republicans respect a strong leader like Putin. Obama was a weak leader.

Do you think Putin would ever go on an appology tour like Obama?

Do you think Putin would draw a line in the sand and then do nothing?

Do you think Putin would trade 5 terrorists for a trader?

Other countries may not like Putin, but they certainly respect him. No country respects Obama.
12-20-2016 , 01:20 AM
White, male, pro-business, totalitarian. Whats not to like?
12-20-2016 , 01:23 AM
Fascists like mondigi are finally being honest with themselves and letting the world know how much they hate freedom and democracy.

We knew all along, but at least they're no longer pretending they want anything other than a brutal dictator who murders people who disagree with them.
12-20-2016 , 01:40 AM
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Originally Posted by mongidig
Republicans respect a strong leader like Putin. Obama was a weak leader.

Do you think Putin would ever go on an appology tour like Obama?

Do you think Putin would draw a line in the sand and then do nothing?

Do you think Putin would trade 5 terrorists for a trader?

Other countries may not like Putin, but they certainly respect him. No country respects Obama.
That is a really high bar you've set for having a favorable opinion of a world leader.

Substitute "Genghis Khan" or "Adolf Hitler" for "Putin" in your post and tell me if it makes any less sense.
12-20-2016 , 01:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Noodle Wazlib
Fascists like mondigi are finally being honest with themselves and letting the world know how much they hate freedom and democracy.

We knew all along, but at least they're no longer pretending they want anything other than a brutal dictator who murders people who disagree with them.
I really wanna friends with you Noodles, but it's talk like this that keeps pushing me away
12-20-2016 , 01:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Donk Quixote
That is a really high bar you've set for having a favorable opinion of a world leader.

Substitute "Genghis Khan" or "Adolf Hitler" for "Putin" in your post and tell me if it makes any less sense.
I hate those guy's
12-20-2016 , 02:11 AM
I like Putin because he is pro American. Its obvious because if he wasn't he wouldn't have backed such a strong leader.
12-20-2016 , 02:21 AM
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.the...android-att-us

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On the surface, these two shifts seem unrelated. But they’re deeply intertwined. Before Trump, Republican leaders generally described the United States as fighting an ideological struggle against the enemies of freedom. Now, Trump and his advisors describe America as fighting a civilizational struggle against the enemies of the West. Seen through that very different lens, Muslims look more nefarious and Vladimir Putin looks more benign.

To understand this shift, it’s worth distinguishing two different strains of conservative foreign-policy thinking during the cold war. Civilizational conservatives like Jerry Falwell and Pat Buchanan saw the cold war as a struggle between two countries defined primarily by their view of God: The Judeo-Christian United States versus the atheistic Soviet Union. Ideological conservatives like Paul Wolfowitz and Elliot Abrams, by contrast, saw the cold war as a conflict between two countries defined primarily by their view of government: the liberty-loving United States versus the totalitarian USSR. (A third group, composed of realists like Henry Kissinger and George Kennan, saw the cold war as a traditional great power conflict between two countries defined primarily by their geopolitical heft.)

In the 1990s, after the Soviet Union collapsed, ideological conservatives and civilizational conservatives parted ways. The clearest example was the former Yugoslavia. In the 1990s, Serbs brutalized the largely Muslim breakaway republic of Bosnia. Ideological conservatives like Robert Kagan urged NATO to intervene in the name of human rights. Cultural conservatives like Buchanan wondered why the U.S. was going to war to defend Muslims against Christians. Ideological conservatives saw Russia, Serbia’s traditional ally, as defending tyranny and ethnic cleansing. Cultural conservatives saw Russia as defending Christendom.
12-20-2016 , 05:05 AM
They clearly do not support east v west. If they did they would have to give up like half their defense dollars. Some of them are smart enough to realize this before they take positions, which is why so many of the rank and file have hesitations.
12-20-2016 , 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by ToothSayer
It's pretty simple. He showed he wants peace with America. He showed he's a realist on Islamic terror, willing to attack them rather than arm and fund ISIS as Obama did. He simply got more visibility on these issues and they're issues important to Republicans.

The defcon nuclear warning dropped from a rapidly increasing score thanks to Obama and Clinton agitation and stupidity, to its lowest level in years on Trump's election. That's because Putin genuinely wants peace and shared sane goals as long as he's left alone and he's not dealing with insane, terrorist arming, civilian killing, war prolonging losers like Obama. A lot of Republicans have simply realised this as Putin has been in the headlines.
Once again showing you either have no idea what you're talking about, or willfully lying. Gorbachev wanted peace too, moron.

Putin helped your fascist hero get elected. That's 100% the reason why your hypocritical flock has suddenly held their nose on this issue. Insane, red-scare cons have been telling us Russia is Mordor for 100+ years, and Heritage Foundation trolls literally called for war with Putin when he slapped Georgia around and gave Ukraine the business. You turdwafts spent all of the Obama years demanding everyone fear and hate Russia just as much as you do, or we're all somehow un-American.

You expect us to believe all that hate for Mr. KGB systematically went away because "peace" and "terror?" **** off, you fraud. Shall we review your post history here? You literally chided Obama for not being "strong enough" on Crimea. Do you think pussy grabber would have stood tough on Crimea against his oil/gas business partner? Yeah, no.


Putin preferred the puppet he has business ties with, not the establishment Dem promising to uphold 100 years of paranoid RW foreign policy. Cons, with their situational ethics, conveniently decided the enemy of their enemy is now their friend. Until he's not.

It's pretty cut and dry, here, and has nothing to do with "peace," which soulless cons loathe.

Last edited by JiggsCasey; 12-20-2016 at 09:37 AM.
12-20-2016 , 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Donk Quixote
Favorable views of Putin among republicans are up from 17% to 37%. Maybe some of the 37% are here to explain it a little better. I would presume that in 2014, the vast majority of republicans viewed him unfavorably because he is a murderous, corrupt dictator with no respect for free speech and human rights and generally an adversary of US/western interests. So for his favorability to take such a wild swing upward in such a short time, I assume he must have done something really great since then, right? Please help me understand.
i think it clearly shows that at least 20% of cons are just ideological prostitutes, whose values are easily bought and sold by even the most disgusting of clients. The tortured logic they use to later sugarcoat their whorish shift is beyond transparent. Just look at TS.

I'm sure if Chavez got McCain elected they'd have had a similar uptick for him as well. It's always been party over country for these meat sockets. It is particularly disgusting.

Rest assured, they'll be reminded of their prostitution on this issue at every turn going forward. Including when they slink back to painting Putin as the bad guy re: literally everything. Set your watch by it.
12-20-2016 , 11:14 AM
Thank you Mr. Putin for helping get Trump elected so I get to watch the liberals get even more unhinged. I'm sitting back with my bag of popcorn and just loving watching these freaks meltdown and wash down the drain.
12-20-2016 , 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by mongidig
Thank you Mr. Putin for helping get Trump elected so I get to watch the liberals get even more unhinged. I'm sitting back with my bag of popcorn and just loving watching these freaks meltdown and wash down the drain.
There's another con prostitute ... Opening deep and wide for the man they considered Sauron forever.

How do you trolls expect to "make America great again" when you're literally cheering for division at every turn? There's conservative logic in a nutshell.
12-20-2016 , 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by JiggsCasey
There's another con prostitute ... Opening deep and wide for the man they considered Sauron forever.

How do you trolls expect to "make America great again" when you're literally cheering for division at every turn? There's conservative logic in a nutshell.
If separating right from wrong is the division you speak of, then I am all in. This country was certainly divided during the Obama years. However, slowly but surely the weaklings on the far left are going away. The most popular news network by far is Fox news(conservative). The least popular news network is MSNBC(liberal). We are obviously not evenly divided. Even on the forums most of the far left goofballs are gone. They no their role now. They know they were wrong. They know they were getting owned over and over again by those with conservative views. You notice hardly anybody from the other forum dares to step into this forum anymore.

There will be no division if you get your feelings out of your way and start to use common sense.
12-20-2016 , 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by mongidig
We are obviously not evenly divided.
Nope, we're not. More people (over 2 million) voted democrat for president this year. For the 6th time in the last 7 elections.
12-20-2016 , 01:17 PM
You mean over 2 Million DEAD voters who voted Democrat

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/1...mocrats-229856
12-20-2016 , 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by mongidig
If separating right from wrong is the division you speak of, then I am all in.
Cool story. Cept you're firmly a champion of the "wrong" camp.

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Originally Posted by mongidig
This country was certainly divided during the Obama years.
Yes, 100% because of racist cons who gave him a much higher bar to hurdle than they did the frat boy before him.

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Originally Posted by mongidig
However, slowly but surely the weaklings on the far left are going away.
LOL... you increasingly require more and more intricate election fraud and other shenanigans (suppression, gerrymandering, etc.) to get your heroes elected as the country gets more and more brown and progressive. Sorry.

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Originally Posted by mongidig
The most popular news network by far is Fox news(conservative). The least popular news network is MSNBC(liberal).
You're still new here, but this tired conservative mantra was destroyed here a very long time ago. You have one network to consolidate your rabid, racist viewership. Of course you're going to have higher ratings than the 5-6 other networks sharing the other 55-60% of the pie. ... If it was just Fox and CNN to choose from, what do you think those ratings would look like? Are you smart enough to understand that concept? Probably not.

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Originally Posted by mongidig
We are obviously not evenly divided. Even on the forums most of the far left goofballs are gone. They no their role now. They know they were wrong. They know they were getting owned over and over again by those with conservative views. You notice hardly anybody from the other forum dares to step into this forum anymore.
LOL... Confirmation bias at its purest. ... Not sure what their "role" is supposed to mean, bigot. But I do know people tend to leave when a discussion forum becomes an alt-right cesspool. It's not because they "lost." It's because people like you leave them feeling nauseated.

In any event, I'm still here. And that's more than enough to eviscerate your dumb arguments... every time.

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Originally Posted by mongidig
There will be no division if you get your feelings out of your way and start to use common sense.
Oh, common sense. You mean like rooting for climate change? Putting an oil tycoon as the country's top diplomat? Bending over for Putin? Greasing the skids ever more for the super rich? ... Or do you just mean deregulating everything and removing all oversight? That kind of common sense?

I look forward to campaign season in the summer/fall of 2020, when the country is, sadly, far worse off than it is now (and it absolutely will be) and cons have no one else to blame but themselves. The pressure will become unbearable for all you Ayn Rand cultists.

That is, if Trump even wins your side's primary.
12-20-2016 , 01:20 PM
Putin has been waking Americans up to the plots and conspiracies of the American government. Only now the silent majority voice can be heard.

Who was fighting ISIS? Putin.
Who was arming ISIS? Obama.

Last edited by LogicOverFeelz; 12-20-2016 at 01:20 PM. Reason: hmm, that would make Obama a traitor!

      
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