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I find it ironic you mention the grand jury investigation in your first post about Obama. Demonstrates how disingenuous you really are.

Anyway, we already have an "Obama" thread:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/21...obama-1668348/

Presidents will always be compared to other Presidents - I assume you know how this works? The Trump thread seems to just be a current Politics thread. Also, I don't see you posting much on the Grand Jury stuff anyways. Currently you're just wriggling the word bigotry into fitting your wordlview - and failing miserably I might add.

08-04-2017 , 12:05 PM

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Hilary posts also welcome.

Be sure to note that education about grand jury systems are widely available. So if you are non-American you may have online resources to understand what's going on locally available.

08-04-2017 , 12:25 PM

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08-04-2017 , 12:45 PM

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Trump approval in GOP-leaning poll drops below Obama's lowest

08-04-2017 , 01:11 PM

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http://thehill.com/homenews/administ...-what-it-means

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The existence of a grand jury also indicates Mueller will be pursuing criminal charges, even if the target of his investigation and the channels he might take remain a mystery.

Obama might say this grand jury stuff is serious and involves suspected criminals.

08-04-2017 , 02:12 PM

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Obama ruined this country by playing to much golf and forcing his socialite agenda on hard working americans

08-04-2017 , 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Subterranean2

Obama ruined this country by playing to much golf and forcing his socialite agenda on hard working americans

is this a serious post? or are you trolling?

08-05-2017 , 12:21 AM

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is this a serious post? or are you trolling?

It's fascinating that you can't tell.

08-05-2017 , 03:59 AM

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It's fascinating that you can't tell.

What specifically is fascinating about it?

08-05-2017 , 05:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Subterranean2

Obama ruined this country by playing to much golf and forcing his socialite agenda on hard working americans

A+

08-05-2017 , 05:21 AM

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Originally Posted by spanktehbadwookie

In a nutshell the grand jury is convened to decide if there's a case for a legal prosecution, is that right?

08-05-2017 , 05:52 AM

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08-05-2017 , 02:30 PM

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It was Romney's plan, genius

08-05-2017 , 02:35 PM

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In a nutshell the grand jury is convened to decide if there's a case for a legal prosecution, is that right?

Yeah, like a forum for a prosecutor to present evidence, for the Grand Jury. Who then decides if criminal indictments are warranted based on the evidence. But I'm not a grand jury expert, so I don't know all the ends and outs.

08-05-2017 , 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by JiggsCasey

It was Romney's plan, genius

What kind of stupid retort is this? Do you think Romney was going to go nationwide with his plan? Do you also know that Romneycare failed in MA?

Do you honestly think Obama thought - "Hrmmmm, well, I wasn't going to ram a bull**** healthcare plan down throats of this country, but my political opponent had a good idea, so I guess I'm on board now".

08-05-2017 , 03:58 PM

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Do you also know that Romneycare failed in MA?

We don't read InfoWars.

08-05-2017 , 04:36 PM

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can't get worse than fdr but obama comes close

08-05-2017 , 06:58 PM

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It was Romney's plan, genius

It's a steaming pile of **** with Obama's name on it, genius.

Deal with it.

08-05-2017 , 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by 13ball

We don't read InfoWars.

You don't read, period.

08-05-2017 , 06:59 PM

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I for one am glad we are past the days of Obama "Bannoning" himself.

08-05-2017 , 09:17 PM

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AggroMac been busy spewing.

08-06-2017 , 04:43 AM

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He will get a bump in ratings with the clown show that came after him.

08-06-2017 , 12:14 PM

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What kind of stupid retort is this? Do you think Romney was going to go nationwide with his plan? Do you also know that Romneycare failed in MA?

LOL!!! these are your distinctions?

Romney care "failed" because of sabotage from trolls just like you. Same reason the national plan is dealing with so much resistance. Here's the reality of Massachusetts (Politifact):

- The state law was successful on one big goal: A little more than 98 percent of state residents now have insurance.
- Claims that the law was “bankrupting” the state are greatly exaggerated. Costs rose more quickly than expected in the first few years, but came in line with what the Massachusetts Taxpayers Foundation had estimated.
- Despite claims to the contrary, there was no clear evidence that the law had an adverse effect on waiting times. In fact, 62 percent of physicians say it didn’t.
- Public support was high. One poll found that 68.5 percent of nonelderly adults supported the law in 2006; 67 percent still do.

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Do you honestly think Obama thought - "Hrmmmm, well, I wasn't going to ram a bull**** healthcare plan down throats of this country, but my political opponent had a good idea, so I guess I'm on board now".

Oh, STFU... No, that very obviously wasn't his thinking AT ALL.

You "privatize everything" cultists posted a cartoon that suggests Obama left a steaming turd he knew would fail. The only horse**** is that tired suggestion.

08-06-2017 , 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by JiggsCasey

- The state law was successful on one big goal: A little more than 98 percent of state residents now have insurance.
- Claims that the law was “bankrupting” the state are greatly exaggerated. Costs rose more quickly than expected in the first few years, but came in line with what the Massachusetts Taxpayers Foundation had estimated.
- Despite claims to the contrary, there was no clear evidence that the law had an adverse effect on waiting times. In fact, 62 percent of physicians say it didn’t.
- Public support was high. One poll found that 68.5 percent of nonelderly adults supported the law in 2006; 67 percent still do.

Obama was thinking only about his legacy and not whether his plan would work. It's clearly a disaster. It's clearly a big turd. This is why there is consensus that the Bill needs to be fixed. This is why Obama placed land mines throughout the bill to make it more difficult to repeal.

I think Obama is actually worse than Carter because he comes off as Presidential but his performance in office was anything but. Millions of people were duped.

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