Uh, you did, in the very post I quoted. You have an awfully short memory.

I never said anything about a poll tax. In fact, I said the IDs should be free.

Still havent seen an example of Miami voter fraud solvable with voter ID. Any help here?

I doubt republicans care what demographics it is they want to limit except who they vote for.
Democracy is a outsourced export only.

Um no, I was responding to another poster who claimed that requiring IDs was racist because of the fees that are charged. I merely was pointing out to him the fallacy of his statement because if there is a fee, it is NOT based on race, and that everyone pays the same fee.

And charging a fee for a Drivers License is NOT a poll tax.

You can't even keep your story straight for 15 minutes? Is this you?

Weird, you are keen enough to make note of creative wordplay, and even seem to know the concept the term 'disabilist' refers too. I mean it was kinda obvious from the context. You also seem very apt at other semantics games.

But somehow you totally avoid addressing the content of the post. The evidence that you get your political education from talk radio ( or Fox news) is mounting.

FYI- It does conserve energy to just not post when you got nothing.

The Dailyshow is a better target for the bigoted Right.

Even a free ID isn't free.

You're a guy who's probably in decent shape financially, and you probably drive a car, so you've had ID for most of your life. You use the internet and watch TV, too. If your state passes a voter ID law, you'll probably hear about it. Even if you don't, when you go to vote, you'll probably drive there, so you'll have your ID with you. So you show up to vote, show your ID, and it means nothing to you.

I know this is hard for some people to follow, but it's not that easy for everyone.

Poor people may not have heard about the change in law. They also are less likely to own cars. They took the bus to the polling place, and if they don't have an ID or didn't bring an ID they have no need for, they lose their right to vote this year. It's also harder for these people to get IDs. They may not have always had them. They may have lost birth certificates or marriage licenses that would be necessary to get an ID. Replacing those forms can be costly, time consuming, or even impossible. It also takes poor people more time to get to the DMV to get an ID, and they're being asked to do this for a purpose that has limited utility for themselves.

What is so magical about a valid state-issued photo ID, anyway. Of the 10 or so people who vote illegally every year, would they be able to reliably produce recently expired driver's licenses or school iDs or utility bills with the name and address they claim or sworn affidavits of people with IDs vouching for that person's identity but not valid driver's licenses? Of course not. But the states passing these laws have no interest in actually verifying identity. If they did, they'd offer a plethora of ways one could prove his or her identity in ways other than just an ID. The laws aren't written that way, though. They're written to exclude from voting people who could prove their identities but who don't have IDs. These people are disproportionately poor minorities.

As many as 25% of black people don't have a valid state ID card, far more than that of white people. A law doesn't have to be written to specifically smite black people in order to be racist. It's just if the outcome disproportionately impacts black people, and these laws do. The old literacy test laws didn't specifically disenfranchise blacks, either, but their results meant that no blacks could vote.

Nothing is worst than racism. Nice try, Grand Wizard.

LOL ouch. Good one.

hahahahahahahahaha

Obv Cerveza is an asshat, but it should be noted that until Wookie's post nobody actually bothered to effectively explain WHY the ID laws are racist, and I think it's important to realize that that isn't always something that's obvious.

I don't think UNCHAINED is an excuse for lazy **** OPs, which this sure as **** was. If you want to bring up an issue, frame it in a way that will lead to a decent conversation.

Just a friendly reminder to newer unchained posters.... Standard type insults ( idiot, stupid, your mama, etc.) are allowed in politics unchained. Yes, it's kind of dumb, but so are YOU!

We'll see if Cerveza defies everybody's expectations and returns to inform us that he had not considered such an angle and now feels more educated about the racist effects of voter ID laws. Are you optimistic?

Dude, my OP was awesome!

If you must know it was a spontaneous thread made to joke on Bahbah and Letsgambool for taking the climate change thread off topic into the ghosts of past racist voter ID posts. And yes, more content was incoming in the due course of time. Quit trying to chain us bro.

I wasnt taking it off topic.

Bahbah is "just asking questions" about climate change and pointing out how we have to examine the motives of climate change scientists I asked him why his inquisitive nature didnt extend to asking why Voter ID advocates might want tougher ID rules.

Dids point is a good one, although (conservatively) 95% of the time the explanation is falling on deaf ears.

Oh, not at all.

But I do think there are non-racist, non-idiots who can be sheltered enough to not appreciate how race and class relate to voter ID laws and it's important to make that clear in these conversations. The random person who hasn't made up their mind and was reading this thread wouldn't have had their mind changed by anything #teamsanity posted on the first pace.

Yes, thanks for the clarification.

Did's point kinda sucks IMO. You wanna OP like Mr.wookie's excellent post? Make one! Wanna see what happens if you make a provactive thread title with a leading question as the only content? This! Unchained? Yes, you can!

note- that may be true for this thread, but it has been explained repeatedly in the main forum thread where this was debated for months.

Didnt mean the OP criticism (its UNCHAINED LDO), just meant the point that people can be ignorant about voter ID and not thought things all the way through and arent necessarily a virulent racist or Beck/Rush bot.

FYP.

FYI - I was at the Back Crack Quack a/k/a chiropractor getting a massage and an adjustment.

Didn't see much need to reply. Just a bunch of name calling and stuff regurgitated from old MSNBC shows.

Except, one poster Mr. Wookie actually framed his point with meaningful prose.

Stringent ID laws are only one pillar of the partisan disenfranchiser. Limiting ballot access by arbitrarily restricting polling hours is also part of the program.

So now that you've read Wookie's post you will admit you were wrong and apologize, yes?