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Unacceptable for the world to allow any more destruction of monuments by ISIS Unacceptable for the world to allow any more destruction of monuments by ISIS

06-10-2015 , 12:55 PM
Looks like Masque concedes defeat. Nicely done, Regret$.
06-10-2015 , 01:18 PM
Hey man, his terrorists are Americans which means they are True Soldiers^TM in Allah's Jihad Army! Oh wait, those are the other guys... oh wait, those are our guys too? Maybe masque should debate against himself, in honor of 'Iraq War III, This Time We Did It To Ourselves... AGAIN!'
06-10-2015 , 01:26 PM
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good luck
06-10-2015 , 01:36 PM
So we should consider those Allied soldiers who targeted military facilities during WWII terrorists if civilians were killed?
06-10-2015 , 01:39 PM
The thing is masque, your replies clearly indicate you have not comprehended what I typed. I correctly predicted that you would type up a wall of words but still fail to miss a simple, shortly-worded point. You think typeytype = debating. I'm sorry to inform, that is just not the case, no matter what page 427 of the republican talking point debate strategy book said.
06-10-2015 , 02:07 PM
Masque, you saying **** that the Iraqis are proving that they deserved Saddam shows that you dont understand or care about them.

Just about everyone knew that democracy in Iraq was going to fail. Saddam was the only thing holding that region together.

Imo the only thing you are concerned with is the ruins which is fine but stop pretending otherwise.
06-10-2015 , 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnyCrash
Masque, you saying **** that the Iraqis are proving that they deserved Saddam shows that you dont understand or care about them.
No! It only shows that i care about them more than they care about themselves.

And the same is true about all of you that hate me...Never forget that! Let it haunt you forever as a possibility it's true, until you are finally free to see the light!
06-10-2015 , 08:09 PM
I dont hate you. Some of your ideas are pretty silly though. Having a rich culture or ancient ruins around is never going to stop anyone from going to war.
06-10-2015 , 08:28 PM
Yeah but it will teach you not to go to war over stupid things that do nothing to improve the world when other solutions are much better for all. This is the biggest lesson of our culture with all its ruins and literature. Rational understanding of our problems, cooperation and solution with the power of science and technology and with fairness guided by our culture and ideas. A wisdom built over countless of generations of failures and successes. These ruins represent our rise to that state of awareness. They can indeed teach you to carefully select your wars and that the other human is not necessarily the real opponent.

To destroy them is like hating mankind itself, to reject the origins of its progress in time. It is the desire for the act that is more dangerous than the damage itself.
06-10-2015 , 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Regret$
LMAO

Waaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy tl;dr and no way in hell I'm wall of txting with masque (wow he is wound up, I bet he is convinced that he is right lololol). But anyone who has thought for more than a minute can realize that: a) ISIS has its' roots in the USA and USA allies; b) the USA (and allies) have probably directly (not including wayward proxies like ISIS) destroyed close to the same amount of 'human heritage' as ISIS.

Reminds me of a lecture gnome chompsky did where he broke down what a 'terrorist' was, and basically it is just a soldier on the other team... wholly a media construct. Israeli tank destroys a building, killing 20 children, whoops 'collateral damage.' I wonder how much masque is disgusted by the destruction of human heritage by USA terrorists. Oh wait, that's right, mosques don't count, amirite?
Why are some people incapable of discussing Arab Muslim countries / affairs without going off on a "BUT, ISRAEL blah blah blah blah!! tangent?

The Israeli army doesn't wantonly destroy civilian homes or life, nor do they try to destroy wholescale the culture and heritage of other people, unlike their enemies across the region. Of course, some people might lie to themselves and say that they do, but reality begs to differ.

This is a thread about Islamists destroying the heritage of anyone and anything that does not conform with perhaps the most destructive interpretation of Islam we've seen yet. And of course, Islamists are doing that worldwide wherever they hold the sway to do so, not just ISIS, obviously a symbolic attempt by Islamists to destroy the cultures of others on a grand scale would be the Buddhas of Bamiyan.

This is a repeating issue, along with Islamist terrorism towards life, is the efforts of Islamist terrorists to destroy the symbols of life and history of other peoples.

Not something we should "omg but Israel!" about.
06-10-2015 , 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by masque de Z
Yeah but it will teach you not to go to war over stupid things that do nothing to improve the world when other solutions are much better for all. This is the biggest lesson of our culture with all its ruins and literature. Rational understanding of our problems, cooperation and solution with the power of science and technology and with fairness guided by our culture and ideas. A wisdom built over countless of generations of failures and successes. These ruins represent our rise to that state of awareness. They can indeed teach you to carefully select your wars and that the other human is not necessarily the real opponent.

To destroy them is like hating mankind itself, to reject the origins of its progress in time. It is the desire for the act that is more dangerous than the damage itself.
lolwat? I read this post like 10x. Pls clarify, I don't want to seem to put words in your mouth.
06-10-2015 , 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by NC Flounce
Not something we should "omg but Israel!" about.
Isreal Turkey and the USA (aka 'the good guys') gave these Islamists (the ISIS) money when they were a useful foil to Assad. So there goes you whole post.
06-10-2015 , 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Regret$
Isreal Turkey and the USA (aka 'the good guys') gave these Islamists (the ISIS) money when they were a useful foil to Assad. So there goes you whole post.
I would love to see some data backing that claim because i didnt see any here.

Maybe Turkey has a strange relationship with what is going on (but still lets see that funding part proof for them too) but how did Israel and US fund ISIS since from the start it was against the US?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic...and_the_Levant
06-10-2015 , 08:58 PM
Sure, I'll look it up when this set is done. Mind expanding on the post above?
06-10-2015 , 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Regret$
Sure, I'll look it up when this set is done. Mind expanding on the post above?
Yes i mind, it would take a great part of my life to do exactly that. It is a life where the study of history and sciences and human culture in general lead me to that recognition. All these pieces of the puzzle paint our collective history in time vividly and allow us to learn from it. If these losers in ISIS had any culture in them they wouldnt do the things they do in order to create a Sunni country there. To build respect for others the exposure to their past and history helps. It also helps them to not be cruel and intolerant and to be proud about things that take effort and commitment to create.

Also what makes you so sure your link is legitimate source of reporting when it doesnt provide any real proof of its claims and when these claims also do not make sense given how all the recent timeline development of ISIS is filled with permanent operations against US interests.
06-10-2015 , 09:19 PM
Whites literally committed genocide in NA, intentionally destroyed countless non-Christian pieces of culture in Euro, and inadvertently destroyed much much more.
06-10-2015 , 09:19 PM
Wow what a douche response.
06-10-2015 , 09:21 PM
Spoiler:


The statue of Marcus Aurelius was not melted down because in the Middle Ages it was incorrectly thought to portray the first Christian Emperor Constantine[citation needed]. Indeed, it is the only fully surviving bronze statue of a pre-Christian Roman emperor.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equestr...arcus_Aurelius
06-10-2015 , 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted by masque de Z
No! It only shows that i care about them more than they care about themselves.

And the same is true about all of you that hate me...Never forget that! Let it haunt you forever as a possibility it's true, until you are finally free to see the light!
lolz. Do you imagine *anyone* believes this horse****?
06-10-2015 , 09:29 PM
Also I love how every news site you google claims the ISIS started as a branch of the Iraqi Al-Qaeda but none of them seem to mention their beginning Syria at all!!! Wonder why people are so confused.
06-10-2015 , 09:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
lolz. Do you imagine *anyone* believes this horse****?
If you spend your life trolling as much as you do, you will find that eventually you will lose the ability to understand what others mean, because you have defined yourself as a permanent joker with destructive tendencies to any process others try to build something.

If Iraqis care so much for themselves i can see the greatness of the state they find themselves at, so many years later after the dictatorship is over. I saw how they treated each other all these years. The ability of someone to care for themselves is not defined by near term bs interests but by their ability to understand in advance the grave they are digging for themselves.

They can split in 3 and spend decades fighting about it and finding more reasons to antagonize each other thereafter. Or they could join forces, exploit the oil they have and build a decent technologically advancing country, united, where all groups are represented in the government and nobody is mistreated.

I really want to see what is better than that. Yeah to be angry at each other and to erect their bs religious garbage in a permanent barbaric rage from Shias to Sunnis.
06-10-2015 , 11:05 PM
If karma exists, bad karma id imagine is being born in africa or the middle east. Seems like the most evil of hell on earth to live in.
06-10-2015 , 11:05 PM
masque, did you support iraq war ii, and if so, do you understand why some might think you are a hypocrite for your last post itt?
06-10-2015 , 11:33 PM
Of course not if by 2 you mean the 2003 thing. I was seriously against it to the point of protest. Exactly where do you guys get these ideas you have about me? I am seen as republican and conservative to the point of sounding totally ridiculous to those in SMP that know me. Bush was a nightmare to see even as candidate given where i knew the bs was going. And Gore was a moron for not forcing with all he could even to the point of social revolt a full state recount.

Why would i be a hypocrite in what i said. I think that the rejection of Sunni elements by the first Iraqi Shia dominated governments was a massive mistake given what had happened for decades there. That was a moment to unite all citizens under a government that would support all sides even if dominated by Shias. But that requires political and religious leaders. But what kind of religious leaders that can do good to people can one ever find in Islam? They all hate each other. They quickly created their own militias and started fighting across religious lines. Its reasonable to feel you have the upper hand after decades of suppression by the Sunni Saddam party but that was a moment of decision for true leaders not unimaginative cowards.

The war was a mistake and the handling of the post invasion era was criminally inept marginalizing Sunnis and leading to the insurgency. But in the end if people finally liberated from the tyrant do not love their own country enough to want to join forces and peacefully generate a new society and support democratic processes without corruption, it is inevitable they will lose what was given to them as an opportunity for a new start.

      
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