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View Poll Results: Who was responsible for 9/11
Al Qaeda acting alone
167 34.65%
Al Qaeda with the help of Iran
30 6.22%
Saudi Arabia
20 4.15%
Israel
34 7.05%
The USA
128 26.56%
The Gingerbread man
70 14.52%
Other
33 6.85%

03-29-2014 , 11:23 PM
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Originally Posted by sup hezbollah
No wreckage of a plane at all at the Pentagon. LOL.

No wreckage of a plane at all in the Pennsylvania field. LOL. No bodies, not a drop of blood anywhere.

Air Force did not intercept any of the planes. LOL.

Underbelly of the plane does not appear to be a commerical airliner. LOL

Impossible cellphone calls made by people travelling at 600 MPH miles in the air. LOL

Larry Silverstein admits to having the building "pulled". Yet the story says the building collapsed due to damage. Nice 5 billion dollar score Larry. LOL

Bush's odd behavior. LOL

All the put options put on those Airlines just before 9-11. LOL

They claim to have found the passport of one of the hijackers on a street sidewalk below, yet the black boxes of the planes (which are made from the most impervious metals known to man) were never even found. LOL

4 amateurs with boxcutters take over the planes and perform unprecedented maneuvers then kill themselves. LOL


I can only pray that someday you people wake up and stop being the moronic sheeple that the government has made of you.
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Originally Posted by kerowo
How much thermite residue was found at the site? How many people found it and how did they find it? Your report doesn't sound very scientific if it only presents one possible cause for the residue.
Also, how does Steven Jones being fired for his questionable research play into your whole anti-government, media is in on it, screed?
03-29-2014 , 11:33 PM
Where is the plane that crashed into the Pentagon? Where are the wings, the tail, the two 9-foot Rolls Royce steel engines, the fuselage, etc? How does a 757 with a wingspan of 125 feet fit into a 16 by 20 foot initial impact hole? Why were only five photos of "something" hitting the Pentagon released that certainly didn’t look like a 757? Why did the FBI confiscate all other videos and photos of the Pentagon crash? Why didn’t any of the Pentagon’s five antiaircraft batteries shoot the plane down?
03-29-2014 , 11:33 PM
Why the apparent "STAND DOWN" by the FAA, NORAD, and NMCC on 9/11? NORAD had routinely intercepted planes 67 times earlier that year within 20 minutes each time and NEVER had a failure like they did on 9/11, nor after 9/11. On June 1, 2001, new instructions issued by the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff reassigned aircraft interception authority to Rumsfeld, contradicting normal procedures. When either radar and cockpit contact is blocked, when transponders are turned off, or when planes deviate from their flight plan, standard military procedure is to scramble fighter jets immediately in order to regain contact with the pilot. According to Richard Meyers (then Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff) and NORAD spokesman Mike Snyder, NORAD did NOTHING (for over an hour) until AFTER the Pentagon was hit! When they finally did, they scrambled F-16’s from Langley Air Force Base 120 miles from the Pentagon, NOT Andrews AFB 12 miles away. To top off this peculiar event, the F-16’s conveniently traveled at 400 MPH, well under their 1500 MPH capacity, and they of course didn’t make it in time to the Pentagon.
03-29-2014 , 11:34 PM
Heat from burning jet fuel was reportedly the sole cause of the WTC collapses. What a ludicrous theory! 1. Steel melts at 2750°F. 2. The steel in the Towers was certified by Underwriters Laboratories Inc. to withstand 2000°F for 6 hours! 3. Jet fuel produces a maximum temperature of 1800°F in a special combustion chamber. Theories that claim the steel melted from the jet fuel fire violate the laws of physics! Also, steel frame buildings have NEVER collapsed due to fires! Steel frame buildings cannot collapse at free-fall speed, symmetrically, straight down into a relatively small pile of rubble due to fire. That’s a fact.
03-29-2014 , 11:35 PM
How did WTC 7 collapse when no plane hit it? The collapse of Building 7 was later admitted to be a demolition by owner Larry Silverstein on a PBS interview in Sept. 2002. In a phone call with the FDNY chief regarding building 7, he said "We've had such terrible loss of life; maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it. And they made that decision to pull and we watched the building collapse" referring to the demolition of building 7. Larry later explains that "pull it" meant to evacuate firefighters, but there were no firefighters in the building at that time! Also, the FDNY is not equipped or trained to "pull" Building 7 in a controlled demolition as Larry stated. Nor can any building be prepared for such a well-designed demolition in the few minutes after Larry asked to "pull it". Coincidentally, Silverstein assumed a 99-year lease on the WTC Towers on July 24, just six weeks before Sept. 11. After the attacks, Larry boldly asserted he was entitled to twice the insurance policy value because "The two hijacked airliners that struck the 110-story twin towers Sept. 11 were separate ‘occurrences’
03-29-2014 , 11:36 PM
Don’t believe that our government is capable or that ruthless to murder Americans to justify a war in Iraq? Read about "Operation Northwoods", which shows plans that Lyman Lemnitzer and the Joint Chiefs of Staff drew up in 1962 and approved for what may be the most corrupt plan ever created by the U.S. government. They proposed launching a secret and bloody war of terrorism against their own country in order to trick the American public into supporting an ill-conceived war they intended to launch against Cuba. The plan called for innocent people to be shot on American streets; a commercial plane full of college students to be shot down; a wave of violent terrorism to be launched in Washington, D.C., Miami, and elsewhere. They even contemplated causing U.S. military casualties, writing: "We could blow up a U.S. ship in Guantanamo Bay and blame Cuba," and, "casualty lists in U.S. newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national indignation." People would be framed for bombings they did not commit; planes would be hijacked. Using phony evidence, all of it would be blamed on Castro, thus giving Lemnitzer and his cabal the excuse, as well as the public and international backing they needed to launch their war.
03-29-2014 , 11:37 PM
Why the strange pattern of debris from Flight 93? Where is the plane? Where are the bodies?
Wally Miller, Sumerset County coroner stated, "I stopped being coroner after about 20 minutes because there were no bodies there."
Ohio Mayor Michael White reported "A Boeing 767 out of Boston made an emergency landing Tuesday at Cleveland Hopkins International Airport due to concerns that it may have a bomb aboard. The plane had been moved to a secure area of the airport, and was evacuated. United verified the plane as Flight 93, but was deeply concerned about another jetliner in the vicinity, Flight 175." The government claims the plane exploded on impact yet a one-ton section of the engine was found over a mile away and other light debris was found scattered over eight miles away! Several witnesses heard "a loud bang" just before the plane began to drop and others saw a small military type plane flying around shortly before UA93 crashed. Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz said, "The Air Force was tracking the hijacked plane that crashed in Pennsylvania and had been in position to bring it down if necessary." The official theory says Flight 93 crashed at 10:03, but seismic analysis shows 10:06. Is that why there is 3 minutes missing from the CVR and the FBI is still hiding the analysis of the FDR & the air traffic control tape from that flight?
How did passengers on flight 93 make cell phone calls while in flight? Regular cell phones don't work on commercial airliners flying at normal altitudes. Don’t believe these calls could’ve been staged? On February 1, 1999, a new voice morphing technology was introduced to Gen. Carl Steiner (former Commander-in-chief, US Special Operations Command) at the Los Alamos National Laboratory in New Mexico. By taking a 10-minute digital recording of Steiner’s voice, scientist George Papcun was able to clone his speech patterns and develop an accurate facsimile so exact, it even fooled Steiner! He was so impressed, he asked for a copy of the tape.
03-29-2014 , 11:38 PM
The invasion of Iraq was actually planned back in 1992 (during Bush I) by Cheney, Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld, Perle, and Lewis Libby in their "Defense Planning Guidance". They later audaciously proposed a basic blueprint for U.S. world domination in PNAC’s "Rebuilding America’s Defenses". PNAC’s Sept. 2000 Statement of Principles - which states "the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event, like a new Pearl Harbor" - would consequently advance their policies, i.e. justify wars and "regime changes". When they got back into power in 2001 they had an opportunity to enact their plan. The problem was that they needed a catalyst, an event that would justify these invasions. Their operational plans were then drawn up in June 2001, and 9/11 was treated as a Pearl Harbor pretext. Their original basis for war was to unseat the Taliban. They were claiming that the primary reason for these hostilities would be the Taliban's unwillingness to cooperate with UN inspectors, a pretext that would have not gone over well. They received a better pretext for attacking with the 9/11 attacks. Of course what they really wanted was to aggressively expand U.S. (globalist) influence throughout the region, and eventually secure a pipeline through Afghanistan for the benefit of UNOCAL and other big globalist oil companies.
Another "smoking gun" is the Downing Street memo, which contains an overview of a secret July 23, 2002 meeting where British intelligence officials visited Washington informing Prime Minister Tony Blair that war was nearly inevitable with Iraq.
03-29-2014 , 11:39 PM
Why was the budget for the 9/11 Commission investigation initially just $3 million? (Later raised to $15 million) Compare that to the commission budgets for the Space Shuttle Columbia crash and Clinton’s Whitewater scandal which were both given $50 million!
Andy why did the Bush Administration wait 411 days to form the 9/11 investigation commission? Compare that to just 6 days for the Titanic, 7 days for JFK, 7 days for the Challenger tragedy, and 9 days for Pearl Harbor. And to top this off, the commission only released 25% of the 11,000 documents requested! (Talk about dragging their feet!)
03-29-2014 , 11:39 PM
On December 4, 2001 in a Town Hall Meeting in Orange County, President Bush met with displaced workers. Answering Jordan’s question of ‘How did you feel when you heard about the terrorist attack?’ he said "I was sitting outside the classroom waiting to go in, and I saw an airplane hit the tower - the TV was obviously on." How did Bush see the first plane crash on live T.V. when it wasn’t shown anywhere until September 12?
03-29-2014 , 11:40 PM
Why did put option purchases on United Airlines and American Airlines stock rise above six times the normal levels in the days preceding 9/11? Abundant evidence shows that a number of transactions in financial markets indicated specific (criminal) foreknowledge of the 9/11 attacks. Between September 6 and 7, the Chicago Board Options Exchange saw purchases of 4,744 put options on UA, but only 396 call options. On September 10, 4,516 put options on AA were bought, compared to only 748 call options. On September 10, the volume of trading in AMR put option contracts increased to 60 times the daily average and almost five times the total of all $30 put options traded before September 10.
In the case of at least one of these trades -- which has left a $2.5 million prize unclaimed -- the firm used to place the "put options" on United Airlines stock was, until 1998, managed by A.B. "Buzzy" Krongard who is now Executive Director of the CIA. (You can’t purchase stock, futures, mutual funds or put options without providing your identity! The FBI, CIA and SEC know who made these purchases. Why aren’t they telling anyone else!?)
03-29-2014 , 11:41 PM
How did they find Mohammed Atta’s and Satam al-Sugami’s passport which magically survived – unscathed – the plane crash, explosion, fire, over 200,000 tons of steel and 425,000 cubic yards of concrete totaling 1.2 million tons of rubble? Yet they can't locate the flight recorders from either plane? And who "found" them and at what time did they "find" these? This is the real outrageous conspiracy theory! (I have an idea, why doesn't Boeing design a new data recorder manufactured from the same indestructible material used to produce magical Saudi passports?)
03-29-2014 , 11:42 PM
You may ask how and when the bombs were planted in the towers. There were plenty of opportunities to plant bombs with low risk of detection. Here are a few examples:
• Ben Fountain, a 42 year old financial analyst who worked in the South Tower, said the weeks before 9/11 there were numerous unanswered and unusual drills where sections of both the Twin Towers and WTC 7 were evacuated for "security reasons".
• Bomb-sniffing dogs were inexplicably removed from the Twin Towers five days before 9/11
• Scott Forbes, working for Fiduciary Trust in the 97th floor of the South Tower, reported that there was a 36 hour "power down" in the upper half of the South Tower on September 8–9 to complete a "cabling upgrade," where security systems consequently were shut down and many workers ran around busily doing things unobserved. They were informed by Port Authority three weeks prior to this.
Yet another coincidence, a Bush-linked company, Stratesec, handled security for three clients that figured prominently in the attack - United Airlines; Dulles International Airport where AA FL 77 was hijacked; and the World Trade Center itself. The President’s brother, Marvin P. Bush, and his cousin, Wirt D. Walker III, were principals in Stratesec, with Walker acting as CEO from 1999 until January 2002 and Marvin reportedly in New York on 9/11.
03-29-2014 , 11:46 PM
So you're not going to answer the questions?
03-29-2014 , 11:47 PM
That's a lot of stupid.
03-29-2014 , 11:48 PM
Did you know that initially the military reported on 9/11 that no fighters were sent up to intercept the hijacked planes until after the Pentagon was hit? Later the same week, the military put out a second story, saying that it had sent up fighters but because the FAA had been late in notifying it about the hijackings, the fighters arrived too late. The 9/11 Commission also reported a third version that the FAA gave the military insufficient warning of the first hijacked airline and no warning of the other hijackings until after they had crashed. (Why did the military change their story three times?)
03-29-2014 , 11:49 PM
Why?
03-29-2014 , 11:51 PM
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Originally Posted by sup hezbollah
• Scott Forbes, working for Fiduciary Trust in the 97th floor of the South Tower, reported that there was a 36 hour "power down" in the upper half of the South Tower on September 8–9 to complete a "cabling upgrade," where security systems consequently were shut down and many workers ran around busily doing things unobserved. They were informed by Port Authority three weeks prior to this.
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After being posted on scores of websites for over a year, this story has failed to elicit any corroborating reports, even about the identity of 'Scott Forbes'. Aside from the fact that the sourcing of the story doesn't meet the most basic journalistic standards, its content is thoroughly implausible.

It makes no sense that the perpetrators would do something so obvious as powering down half of a tower so shortly before the attack. This would create a profound disruption of business for dozens of companies, and would be noticed by thousands of people. Thousands of e-mails would have been broadcast and a great deal of work would have been done by scores of employees to prepare for the outage.
It makes less sense that they would take such a drastic action but only for one half of one tower. Why was the disruption only necessary for the upper floors of the South Tower, or how would similar power-downs of the other sections have gone unnoticed?
Powering down for cabling upgrades is laughable as a cover story for demolition preparation work. Cabling upgrades for data bandwidth do not require interrupting AC power at all. Even if the AC wiring were being upgraded, the new wiring would have been installed and powered up in parallel with the old wiring. Any interruptions would be minimized to a few minutes. Powering down large portions of a tower, and for 36 hours, would have generated numerous protests from tenants.
Contrary to the e-mail's assertion, security cameras are designed to use independent uninterruptible power supplies. If power to the security systems were interrupted, many doors would remain unopenable except by key.
I can cut and paste too!
03-29-2014 , 11:51 PM
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Originally Posted by kerowo
So you're not going to answer the questions?
What question? How are you not able to see the truth by now?

Are you really this ******ed or just trolling?
03-29-2014 , 11:52 PM
Have fun struggling with what should be obvious by now.
03-29-2014 , 11:53 PM
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Originally Posted by sup hezbollah
Did you know that initially the military reported on 9/11 that no fighters were sent up to intercept the hijacked planes until after the Pentagon was hit? Later the same week, the military put out a second story, saying that it had sent up fighters but because the FAA had been late in notifying it about the hijackings, the fighters arrived too late. The 9/11 Commission also reported a third version that the FAA gave the military insufficient warning of the first hijacked airline and no warning of the other hijackings until after they had crashed. (Why did the military change their story three times?)
Hmm, I heard they were flying CAP over New York, maybe they couldn't get back in time after all.
03-29-2014 , 11:53 PM
It takes a special kind of stupid to think this is all BS and the government has told us the truth.
03-29-2014 , 11:54 PM
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Originally Posted by sup hezbollah
What question? How are you not able to see the truth by now?

Are you really this ******ed or just trolling?
How much Thermite residue was found? What else could have left the residue? How many researchers found it?
03-30-2014 , 12:06 AM
I dont have the slightest clue. Enough to prove it was explosives.

Nothing other than thermite could have left thermite residue.

Several.

      
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