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View Poll Results: Who was responsible for 9/11
Al Qaeda acting alone
167 34.65%
Al Qaeda with the help of Iran
30 6.22%
Saudi Arabia
20 4.15%
Israel
34 7.05%
The USA
128 26.56%
The Gingerbread man
70 14.52%
Other
33 6.85%

12-14-2015 , 05:13 PM
I agree that a complete idiot would think it was obvious this was a false flag operation.
12-14-2015 , 05:33 PM
If you only knew.
12-14-2015 , 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by jjshabado
If you only knew.
Well I think it is brave of you to come out like this. Of spank, you, and PaulD, until now only spank has had the courage to own up to some difficulties regarding comprehension. I will try not to criticize you about that from now on and instead opt for patience and understanding.
12-14-2015 , 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Deuces McKracken
Well I think it is brave of you to come out like this. Of spank, you, and PaulD, until now only spank has had the courage to own up to some difficulties regarding comprehension. I will try not to criticize you about that from now on and instead opt for patience and understanding.
And you wonder why people think you're a cock
12-14-2015 , 06:48 PM
That's what the Cable News Network said on the news?
12-14-2015 , 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by unforgettable
Unfortunate the poll creator added the gingerbread. Makes the poll seem ridiculous.

Although the results are ridiculous anyway. 130 clowns think it was al quaeda because thats what CNN said on the news.

But then again why would they lie? They have nothing to hide and its not like anything is ever censored.
Care to provide your understanding of the events?
12-14-2015 , 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by unforgettable
This was a false flag operation. There are no ifs, ands or buts about it.

Unfortunately for most it seems a major psychological hurdle for people to overcome.
So the planes were real and there were no explosives, but the us government not only knew about what happened but actively planned it? Did Al quaeda participate at all? If so, why? If not, who flew the planes?
12-14-2015 , 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by unforgettable
There were explosives. How else do you think Building 7 came down?

Are you for real dude? Why dont you actually think about it for a second trying to utilize some common sense.

How is it possible for building 7 to collapse into dust into its own footprint?
Oh this is good stuff.

How much explosives do you believe were planted? Who planted the explosives? Where were they planted? Was it only building 7 that was wired, and if so, why not the other two? If not, why not hit building 7 with a plane as well? Why wait so long after the initial collapses before setting off the explosives in building seven? Was this an oversight, or was the plan always to wait hours after the twin towers collapsed before imploding 7?
12-14-2015 , 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Deuces McKracken
Well I think it is brave of you to come out like this. Of spank, you, and PaulD, until now only spank has had the courage to own up to some difficulties regarding comprehension. I will try not to criticize you about that from now on and instead opt for patience and understanding.

Oh Deuces if you only knew too. The little remaining faith you have in humanity would disappear.
12-14-2015 , 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by unforgettable
So the fact that you dont know who it was offsets the fact that its impossible for the building to come down without explosives?

Great logic.
Lol, so my logical questions mean nothing, but your logical questions about how it's seemingly impossible (any evidence at all to back this up?) That a building has fire as the root cause of its collapse is some sort of super logic?

Come on man, take a stab at it. Answer any of the questions I asked above.

Fwiw, the how and why of building seven has already been explained in this thread in meticulous detail by people much more qualified than myself to explain it.

In my world, in order for the idea of this as a false flag to be logical, a few key components are needed. Motive, and ability are two of the biggest. Until you can answer for those two components, you cannot even begin to call your moronic idiocy logical.
12-14-2015 , 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by unforgettable
So the fact that you dont know who it was offsets the fact that its impossible for the building to come down without explosives?

Great logic.
To an engineer, the failure of that building makes perfect sense.
12-14-2015 , 11:14 PM
I'm an engineer and it does!
12-14-2015 , 11:34 PM
It's been covered. You've got 2400 signatures out of a population easily over a million. And if you look at half the comments on there they disagree with each other and spout random nut bag comments with no basis in fact.
12-14-2015 , 11:40 PM
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Originally Posted by jjshabado
It's been covered. You've got 2400 signatures out of a population easily over a million. And if you look at half the comments on there they disagree with each other and spout random nut bag comments with no basis in fact.
Not to mention that it includes engineers that have nothing to do with structural engineering.
12-14-2015 , 11:42 PM
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Originally Posted by master3004
So the planes were real and there were no explosives, but the us government not only knew about what happened but actively planned it? Did Al quaeda participate at all? If so, why? If not, who flew the planes?






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Originally Posted by master3004
Oh this is good stuff.

How much explosives do you believe were planted? Who planted the explosives? Where were they planted? Was it only building 7 that was wired, and if so, why not the other two? If not, why not hit building 7 with a plane as well? Why wait so long after the initial collapses before setting off the explosives in building seven? Was this an oversight, or was the plan always to wait hours after the twin towers collapsed before imploding 7?
Got any answer for these, chum...











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12-14-2015 , 11:45 PM
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Originally Posted by jjshabado
I'm an engineer and it does!
I am an engineer also and it makes sense to me.
12-15-2015 , 12:06 AM
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Originally Posted by unforgettable
How do you explain this then.

http://www.ae911truth.org/signatures/ae.html
It is kind of interesting but I would not call it evidence. It really is not that many signatures our of the total population of engineers.

Also, I started pulling names at random to see if I could find supporting evidence in places like LinkedIn. Active competent engineers can usually be found due to papers published, conferences attended, etc. I had to run through 8 or 9 before I could find one who checked out. Also not evidence I concede, but it does make me wonder how many people overstated their credentials when they posted their signature.

Finally, it might be my engineer prejudice, but I would discount the architects heavily. They are not that strongly trained in the technical issues involved in a building collapse, especially given the complicating factor of a very intense fire.
12-15-2015 , 12:07 AM
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Originally Posted by unforgettable
LOL amazing to me how so many people who are otherwise seemingly intelligent could be so sadly mistaken.
Or, maybe you are mistaken? Is that a possibility?
12-15-2015 , 12:30 AM
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Originally Posted by unforgettable
LOL amazing to me how so many people who are otherwise seemingly intelligent could be so sadly mistaken.
So that's a no then?
12-15-2015 , 01:12 AM
Time for my favorite game! Quote comments from a random page of the AE911 Truth Petition.

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How can two planes knock down three steel framed buildings and how could those buildings fall at the rate of gravity with no resistance?
Ignoring the fact that none of the buildings fell "at the rate of gravity w/o resistance" - I'll just point out that nobody claims the planes were responsible for WTC7 falling. Clearly this guy's well informed.

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<big snip>A few months later, I ran into someone who said that he was a stationary engineer in one of the towers. He seemed very fragile, as if he were experiencing PTSD. He said that the week before this event, there were government planes flying up and down the Hudson river as if they were checking out the buildings. <snip> Another fact about my background. In 2008, I was ordained as a roman catholic priest and have been active in that ministry ever since.
This guy seems really with it!

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My initial gut reaction to the collapse of WTC 7 was doubt that it could have fallen from the effect of fire alone. There are several well known highrise fires which did not lead to building collapse.
Several - meaning like 2 or 3. This guys quite the engineer. Get a sample size of 2 or 3 and extrapolate for all future events.


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Being an engineer and a scientist I have been asking myself from some years now what the probability is of three highrise buildings collapsing under uncontrolled circumstances in exactly the same symmetrical fashion.
Maybe he should have been spending those years learning basic probability and what dependent events means?
12-15-2015 , 02:05 AM
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Originally Posted by lonely_but_rich
You're stressing way too hard on that Saudi stuff.
LOL.... fail.
12-15-2015 , 04:47 AM
That'll work.
12-15-2015 , 06:14 AM
I'm an engineer too!

Soon, the engineers who loled at that dumb petition in this thread will outnumber those who signed it.

btw, I wonder how Deuces rationalizes the fact that anyone with a technical background who shows up in this thread inevitably disagrees with him.
12-15-2015 , 08:46 AM
Part of it is that I've been honest that as a software engineer I have only a couple of university level physics courses under my belt which isn't enough to truly evaluate all of the factors involved in the collapse of the towers.

So Deuces just uses his typical double think and discredits me but has no problem still believing all of the people who signed the petition with equal or lessor education.
12-15-2015 , 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by jjshabado
Part of it is that I've been honest that as a software engineer I have only a couple of university level physics courses under my belt which isn't enough to truly evaluate all of the factors involved in the collapse of the towers.

So Deuces just uses his typical double think and discredits me but has no problem still believing all of the people who signed the petition with equal or lessor education.
I don't recall you being honest. At one point you claimed to be an engineer. I assumed you were lying but I didn't want to embarrass you like that by bringing it up so I just let it go. This is the first I have heard of the software qualification. That makes more sense.

You have discredited yourself with a lot of over ambitious, nonsensical 'technical' statements you make in between pretending (or not?) that you can barely read.

      
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