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Saudi Arabia
20 4.15%
Israel
34 7.05%
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128 26.56%
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02-24-2014 , 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Sommerset
LOL

OK, I'll agree to your concession.
You wrote it. Own it. Liar.
02-24-2014 , 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by JiggsCasey
Liar. I didn't concede jack. I asked you to write better, and admit the Commission doesn't count. You said you'd agree to the arraingment and openly admit that the 9/11 Commission was not a real investigation. Then you quickly deleted and re-wrote the post.

It's not a "better post." You basically changed your mind, and went back on a handshake. That's because you know the Kean Commission is your only weapon, and the commissioners themselves admitted it was a disaster.

Just get out. There are much more talented coincidence theorists ready to take your place. You're doing "Team Nothing to See Here" no favors. Rookie.
A handshake? All I said I accepted your concession. I did. I will no longer be arguing 9/11 with you, as you have shown that you have no argument.

We can still meta argue if you'd like, though.
02-24-2014 , 09:35 PM
LOL. Way to lie about what I wrote. You're a peach.
02-24-2014 , 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Sommerset
Just for fun. Which part of the 9/11 commission report is crap? It seems to be to be an insanely detailed account of what all the terrorist cells were doing prior to 9/11 and how it came together. It also documents our intelligence failings, which would be kind of weird for a dishonest investigation.
The whole thing is crap. Maybe there are exceptions but it's hard to effect a partly crappy investigation when the subject is a crime. It's either going to be sufficiently thorough and documented or it's crap. Recall that our conventional standard of conviction is beyond a reasonable doubt. Usually there is only one way to reach that standard, which is all the way. The commission report isn't even close. It's glaring omissions (Jiggs has only named a few imo), half ass follow ups, and parroting of other agencies redacted reviews of their reports (not even original reports) prevent it from being thorough. It's withholding of original source material, names of liaisons and contributors, reliance on classified material, and inscrutable editing process make it effectively undocumented.

If you look back at my posts regarding the put options that pretty much sums up my position. It is entirely possible to include a lot of detail while leaving out the critical supporting detail that you need to draw hard conclusions. The omissions of the report are both material and in the supporting of the material that is included.

I haven't read the whole report and haven't read the section where they recommend changes to the intelligence agencies. That's just a farce on it's surface. I know what that part says without reading it. It says it was the systems fault, so no need to prosecute anybody. At least, that's what it means.
02-24-2014 , 09:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Deuces McKracken
The whole thing is crap. Maybe there are exceptions but it's hard to effect a partly crappy investigation when the subject is a crime. It's either going to be sufficiently thorough and documented or it's crap. Recall that our conventional standard of conviction is beyond a reasonable doubt. Usually there is only one way to reach that standard, which is all the way. The commission report isn't even close. It's glaring omissions (Jiggs has only named a few imo), half ass follow ups, and parroting of other agencies redacted reviews of their reports (not even original reports) prevent it from being thorough. It's withholding of original source material, names of liaisons and contributors, reliance on classified material, and inscrutable editing process make it effectively undocumented.

If you look back at my posts regarding the put options that pretty much sums up my position. It is entirely possible to include a lot of detail while leaving out the critical supporting detail that you need to draw hard conclusions. The omissions of the report are both material and in the supporting of the material that is included.

I haven't read the whole report and haven't read the section where they recommend changes to the intelligence agencies. That's just a farce on it's surface. I know what that part says without reading it. It says it was the systems fault, so no need to prosecute anybody. At least, that's what it means.
wow, so not only do you know what something you haven't read says, you can interpret what the thing you haven't read means beyond the words you haven't read?

Dude, just stop. If you're too lazy to actually research this that's fine, but don't pretend like you've got it all figured out. You're actually pissing on thousands of lost lives.

Thanks.
02-24-2014 , 09:54 PM
Maybe everyone shouldn't be so quick to accuse others of lying. It's getting so ridiculous that, iirc, Fly characterized a typo of mine as a lie about how a word is spelled. ffs
02-24-2014 , 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Deuces McKracken
Maybe everyone shouldn't be so quick to accuse others of lying. It's getting so ridiculous that, iirc, Fly characterized a typo of mine as a lie about how a word is spelled. ffs
He did lie. And what's worse, he's dumb enough to think that because he knows how to quote manually he can just say I said whatever he feels like pulling out of his ass.

I don't know how to prove it (maybe the mods can pull it or something) but I'm beyond confident that my credibility as a poster is leaps and bounds above his, so no bother, really, just needed to be pointed out.
02-24-2014 , 10:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Sommerset
LOL. Way to lie about what I wrote. You're a peach.
I didn't lie. That would be you. You wrote it, like you were agreeing to admit the commission was a sham, and you quickly deleted it.

You're a rookie on this subject material, and you just got pants'ed ... Run along. But thanks for admitting - kind of - that your one fall back position was compromised piece of fiction.
02-24-2014 , 10:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Sommerset
wow, so not only do you know what something you haven't read says, you can interpret what the thing you haven't read means beyond the words you haven't read?

Dude, just stop. If you're too lazy to actually research this that's fine, but don't pretend like you've got it all figured out. You're actually pissing on thousands of lost lives.

Thanks.
I've read a chunk of it. I have probably read as much review about it as the actual text. I never claimed to be a 9/11 commission report scholar but I can back up my opinions.

Spare me your fake outrage. If you gave two ****s about the thousands of lost lives you wouldn't put up with the commission report bull**** for two seconds or it's corollary of no one in government being held accountable for their criminal negligence. Go take a poll of people (many wealthy normal people) who lost loved ones in the trade center and see how they feel about the report you self righteous child.
02-24-2014 , 10:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Sommerset
He did lie. And what's worse, he's dumb enough to think that because he knows how to quote manually he can just say I said whatever he feels like pulling out of his ass.
You edited the post, or deleted it and typed a new one. Liar. You know what you wrote, and you're butthurt that I saw it and you can't fake it any longer. Playing the "take MY word for it" card isn't gonna work.

LOL... you truly suck at this.
02-24-2014 , 10:03 PM
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Originally Posted by JiggsCasey
I didn't lie. That would be you. You wrote it, like you were agreeing to admit the commission was a sham, and you quickly deleted it.

You're a rookie on this subject material, and you just got pants'ed ... Run along. But thanks for admitting - kind of - that your one fall back position was compromised piece of fiction.
Bahahaha, Jiggsy, you're the greatest.

Sorry your entire life's work is a sham. Bummer.
02-24-2014 , 10:04 PM
Jiggs has literally no credibility. He was banned and then invited back by the mods to this forum as a gift for comedy purposes. Steelhouse is 1000 times more credible and lucid.
02-24-2014 , 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by JiggsCasey
You edited the post, or deleted it and typed a new one. Liar. You know what you wrote, and you're butthurt that I saw it and you can't fake it any longer. Playing the "take MY word for it" card isn't gonna work.

LOL... you truly suck at this.
Dude you just had to fabricate something I wrote on a messageboard in order to make yourself look better.

Reevaluate life. Prontissimo.

What's truly bizarre is that it doesn't even do what you think it does. How does me saying "I'll agree to your concession" mean I think the 9/11 report was a sham?

You're out of your mind, friend.
02-24-2014 , 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Sommerset
You're actually pissing on thousands of lost lives.

Thanks.
ah yes... The ultimate dick move by coincitards. When they're out of ammo, the shame angle comes out. The only one pissing on lost lives are those pointing to the compromised, under-funded, stonewalled "official investigation" to support the loyalist theory.

Liar.
02-24-2014 , 10:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Sommerset
Dude you just had to fabricate something I wrote on a messageboard in order to make yourself look better.

Reevaluate life. Prontissimo.

What's truly bizarre is that it doesn't even do what you think it does. How does me saying "I'll agree to your concession" mean I think the 9/11 report was a sham?
Because that's exactly the terms of what I challenged you with the post right before it. Hello? Are you on medication tonight?

You then IMMEDIATELY responded with "OK, I'll agree"... hit send, then quickly deleted it. You're doubling down on your lie now with a further lie.

Either read slower, or grow some sack and own up to your position. Liar.
02-24-2014 , 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Deuces McKracken
I've read a chunk of it. I have probably read as much review about it as the actual text. I never claimed to be a 9/11 commission report scholar but I can back up my opinions.

Spare me your fake outrage. If you gave two ****s about the thousands of lost lives you wouldn't put up with the commission report bull**** for two seconds or it's corollary of no one in government being held accountable for their criminal negligence. Go take a poll of people (many wealthy normal people) who lost loved ones in the trade center and see how they feel about the report you self righteous child.
It's not false outrage, so go **** yourself.

You haven't shown the slightest bit out knowledge about anything you are trying to "uncover." You have no respect for any of this. You are cementing yourself as not only an atrocious poster, but an atrocious person as well.
02-24-2014 , 10:12 PM
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Originally Posted by JiggsCasey
Because that's exactly the terms of what I challenged you with the post right before it. Hello? Are you on medication tonight?

You then IMMEDIATELY responded with "OK, I'll agree"... hit send, then quickly deleted it. You're doubling down on your lie now with a further lie.

Either read slower, or grow some sack and own up to your position. Liar.
Never used the word "agree" you demented little man. And it was in terms of your concess...


You know what.. nah. Have fun masturbating in your own feces, Jiggsy.
02-24-2014 , 10:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Sommerset
Never used the word "agree" you demented little man. And it was in terms of your concess...
Lying again. Because the rest of the post asked that, in EXCHANGE for you conceding the Commission was a sham, you wanted me to promise to tie the money transfer to U.S. foreknowledge. "Promise?" Are you gonna lie further and pretend you didn't write that?

Now, why would you be attempting a tradeoff if you hadn't just conceded your part in the arraingment? You perpetual fraud.

And wtf is a "concess?"

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Originally Posted by Sommerset
You know what.. nah. Have fun masturbating in your own feces, Jiggsy.
Yeah, that's what I thought. Liar. Run along. You suck at this.
02-24-2014 , 10:17 PM
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Originally Posted by JiggsCasey
Lying again. Because the rest of the post asked that, in EXCHANGE for you conceding the Commission was a sham, you wanted me to promise to tie the money transfer to U.S. foreknowledge. "Promise?" Are you gonna lie further and pretend you didn't write that?

Now, why would you be attempting a tradeoff if you hadn't just conceded your part in the arraingment? You perpetual fraud.

And wtf is a "concess?"



Yeah, that's what I thought. Liar. Run along. You suck at this.
Dude I honestly just feel bad for you now. I won't be insulting you anymore. Seriously. I thought you were just a guy who liked to argue on a messageboard but this is something else.
02-24-2014 , 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Sommerset
Dude I honestly just feel bad for you now. I won't be insulting you anymore. Seriously. I thought you were just a guy who liked to argue on a messageboard but this is something else.
Uh huh. Whatever you need to tell yourself. You got caught lying about your deleted post. You had a moment of weakness, then snapped out of it and maintained the "don't budge an inch" policy of coincitards everywhere.

It's ok. I saw it. You were ready to admit the 9/11 Commission was a sham in exchange for more education on Ahmad's wire transfer. That's because it was a sham, and you're learning as you go along.

Don't kick your dog. He didn't do anything to send you into a rage. You did.
02-24-2014 , 10:26 PM
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Originally Posted by JiggsCasey
Uh huh. Whatever you need to tell yourself. You got caught lying about your deleted post. You had a moment of weakness, then snapped out of it and maintained the "don't budge an inch" policy of coincitards everywhere.

It's ok. I saw it. You were ready to admit the 9/11 Commission was a sham in exchange for more education on Ahmad's wire transfer. That's because it was a sham, and you're learning as you go along.

Don't kick your dog. He didn't do anything to send you into a rage. You did.
Peace Jiggs. Be well dude.
02-24-2014 , 10:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Sommerset
Yea none of this is relevant.

Either show me how the U.S. was involved in 9/11 or don't. The reason you guys get so frustrated is because the people who are your interlocutors here have done this many times before, and won't allow you to dance around with spooky background tangents.
Is Dr. Frankenstein (the fictional scientist, not the monster) responsible for the actions of the monster he created? What about the second or third monster he creates? What level of predictability of an outcome dictates what level of responsibility? This is not an easy question.

Obama and his CIA are responsible for future terrorists attacks they are now sowing the seeds for by going across the middle east indiscriminately drone murdering peoples' parents, siblings, spouses, and children. The degree of responsibility is debatable. Have you ever talked to someone who has lived under a bombing campaign to get a sense of what that feels like? How would you feel about Chile if their government blew up your innocent family member for no reason discernible to you or anyone else?

The CIA trained the perpetrators. That might be relevant somehow.
02-24-2014 , 10:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Deuces McKracken

The CIA trained the perpetrators. That might be relevant somehow.
It's not. Either provide evidence 9/11 was an inside job or don't. You may want to actually read the material you are calling false though, since I know how much you actually care about this issue.
02-24-2014 , 10:37 PM
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Originally Posted by LetsGambool
Steelhouse is 1000 times more credible and lucid.
You say things like this and think you have credibility.

Since your delusional on the concept of personal credibility, why don't you accept my invitation to limit the giving or taking of credibility to the posts rather the poster?
02-24-2014 , 10:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Sommerset
Peace Jiggs. Be well dude.
Oh, I'm sure you'll make an indirect crack at me soon enough. It's what you guys do. Yeah, "peace."

      
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