Hate hate hate.

I have a list.

Enjoy House of Cards tonight. Your tax dollars are being stolen to bomb brown people for profit

How do you know that? Maybe one of us is your enemy. Maybe you know too much.

Oh, Yeaahh!!!!

Yeah you're literally just lying about my positions, unless you're just plainly stupid. Building 7 did fall for a portion at frefall. IIRC that was something that a truther like yourself challenged me on in the other thread and provided me a link that said building 7 fell at freefall. Just to clear the air, according to NIST, building 7 did fall at freefall. So keep on ignoring that. Also, according to NIST, they had no access to any steel from building 7 because it was shipped away. Make what you will of those facts, but they are the facts. Maybe you just don't know the facts and never bothered to read anything about any of this. But shipping all the steel away from building 7 is not a theory but accepted fact.

I believe there is video of the pentagon attacks that the government refuses to release. Do you believe that the government only had the one video and has released all video it has?


I never said I think the government planted a passport. This is getting kind of boring. The pattern is I say not everything adds up and there is no actual investigation. Then you accuse me, with no basis, of buying into conspiracy theories. Just stop. Bring in JJ or someone else you're out of gas. You just say **** that you think paints people as fringe and call that an argument. It isn't and that is transparent so just go find some racist to argue with.

This is not an exposure of the NSA programs. There is a reason the Snowden revelations have caused a ****storm. The reason is not because the same information was known in 2005. It's not even a nice try. It's like wtf are you talking about?

Guess if you "RC"? Guess. Oh maybe this once it's Deuces' turn to be right? Maybe????

That's from the last thread. Where you said you'd change your mind if you learned it didn't fall at free fall, I called you a liar, it was show it didn't fall at free fall, and you didn't change your mind.



Yes? Why on Earth would they lie about it? They showed several videos, each of what is consistent with eyewitness testimony that a plane struck the Pentagon. You think a missile hit it, because you want to feel special.



Oh and that's desperately what you wish, right? You're just intrepid cub reporter Deuces. Naw, **** you. There's no implication besides "the government planted it" when you talk about how implausible you find it that some debris from a plane crash was found near a plane crash.

And let's not even get into how arrogant and stupid you need to be to think that's a mystery.

Deuces you gotta remember your refusal to learn is a handicap. External information can be valuable. You should sometimes try to seek it out, incorporate it into your understanding of the issues.

Another example of argument by labeling, one of Fly's go to tactics that he thinks displays incisive wit. But witty to whom Fly, to whom?

Yet he remains silent on the main charges against his case that the investigation of 9/11 was sufficient and no justice was obstructed. Keeping silent on the substantial points- Fly's other go to tactic (at least on this issue). Wait. Is that a tactic or just an admission of defeat? I guess it depends on whether you notice it or not.

A little fun piece on secrecy

Thatcher, however, prohibited GCHQ employees from unionizing. As a result, GCHQ employees publicly revolted against their government in a particularly bizarre episode in British intelligence history.

To the discomfort of Thatcher, the Conservatives and those in the agency who wanted to keep the intelligence service a secret, the employees marched through Cheltenham with signs and banners, cheered on by the town's residents.



http://www.spiegel.de/international/...-955780-2.html

I hate people who try to be witty.

I thought it was established in that thread that the building fell at freefall for a portion of it's collapse an that this was confirmed in the NIST report.


Did they say they had no more video? I'm not about to read the entire FOI request material. Looking for Judicial Watch's response, in trying to get an answer to this, I came across their saying that the pentagon ordered the destruction of all photos of bin laden's remains hours after they filed a FOI request for them. Why on earth would the pentagon do that? I don't know but I assume it's for their protection. There is tons of material that the government refuses to release and they don't always say why and when they do the reasons seem silly. Case in point they didn't initially release the pentagon video (that shows nothing discernibly new) supposedly because they thought it would poison the jury pool in the Mousawi case. Like the clear video of planes hitting the twin towers and people jumping out hadn't already effected said spoiling? Unlike you I don't really give a *** about the government's mealymouthed bull****. Just release everything that isn't going to compromise anyone's immediate safety.

This topic kind of makes me sick. But can be debated for years.

After watching all those conspiracy videos and such. You do learn and find out tons of awkward and interesting information. The kind of info that makes you scratch your head.

What's really weird is when you see the live NBC footage I believe, you DON'T see a plane. But then you see the plane a few minutes later when they re-air the footage. But it clearly wasn't there if you saw the live feed. There was like a "ball" or something "Blob". You can find it on YouTube. So this s**t freaks me out. A lot of unanswered questions which makes it more suspicious.

Heart goes out to the families who lost loved ones on that horrible day. Me being a fellow New Yorker ...FDNY/NYPD Strong!

I'll never forget coming home from school that day and seeing Military fighter jets flying above my house/neighborhood. Friggin' crazy...

God Bless. Never Forget 9/11

R.I.P.

Well, this guy perhaps recalls that when he saw NBC's footage the very first time (and never any times afterward), there wasn't a plane. I'm convinced.

Just watched it. Plane was clearly there. They had a better camera angle on the replay is all.

NIST does say that the building fell at freefall for a portion (the greatest portion in their model):

http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/f..._qa_082108.cfm


"Stage 1 (0 to 1.75 seconds): acceleration less than that of gravity (i.e., slower than free fall).

Stage 2 (1.75 to 4.0 seconds): gravitational acceleration (free fall)

Stage 3 (4.0 to 5.4 seconds): decreased acceleration, again less than that of gravity"


Emphasis is mine. I was right and you were wrong. The building did fall at freefall acceleration. You are the one with an inability to learn. Maybe it's emotional though and not physiological since apparently you have no trouble lapping up whatever mess the government tells you to believe.

This doesn't prove the building was brought down on purpose but it makes the decision not to investigate it properly, with the evidence, more regrettable.

But ultimately I agree with an earlier poster in that it doesn't really matter if one evil s.o.b. or another brought it down.

The fact is the attacks should have never been so unimaginably successful (hijackers probably flipping on all flights taking off on time ffs), and in the face of such criminal negligence on the part of security there should have been an actual investigation. Instead we got blatant obstructionism, lies about Iraq, and billed for 3 trillion. Oh yeah, and as a bonus the government used it to start a massive domestic surveillance program.

Guess the NIST report that Deuces claimed never to have read because its total bull**** is now a legit source.

Good to see the should have been aborted, fetal alcohol syndrome ridden, and WOAT SE poster TradeOC join the thread with some nonsense.

Funny how all the biggest pro government posters are the most vile with out any manners and constantly attacking people with personal insult. Pretty standart sheep defensive mechanisem...

Lol manners in UNCHAINED
lol manners when dealing with Deuces, Jiggs, and TradeOC posts

Lol

Who are these pro-government posters?

Deuces wants NIST to go back and properly study the rubble, but without them literally hauling the wreckage to their labs. Ofc, the whole NIST thing is bull**** anyway, but he'll still cite it to to show how fly is wrong.

Ok, I've spent all morning rewatching 9/11 footage, and it's become clear to me that there is indeed a cover-up, just not the one that people are claiming. These planes were actually hijacked by alien mind control rays. Bust out your tin foil hats, people. It's the only way to stop them from getting into your brain.

It's hard to see because our minds edit it out, not wanting to see the truth, but in all of the footage, there is a clear greenish beam projecting from the plane straight up into space.

You might think they actually take control of the machine and not the mind, but that doesn't really explain what happened on the 4th flight, where they had clearly overused their imperfect mind control technology and it was starting to malfunction.