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I mean, don't get me wrong, the overall principle of just being polite to people is something I'm more than happy to go along with. The issue comes when someone wants to be recognised as a transgender pansexual super-duper bi-racial whatever and wish to be granted the same entitlement to that claim as a black man politely requesting that white people don't use the 'n' word. This collides with the simple reality that society is bound to find one demand ridiculous, and the other totally reasonable, and will never equate the two.

Doubly so when you want the state to criminalize such activity, such as Gender Pronoun laws in Canada or hate speech laws in Europe.

People can be polite to each other (or *******s, which is fine too...). When you want to criminalize wrong think, then we have a much bigger problem.

06-22-2017 , 10:59 AM

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AppleCrumble

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Originally Posted by JiggyMac

Basically this.

The left might well make videos like this one asking "what can't you say that you'd want to say?" and so on, but they've proven time and again that they'll flip to "Oh no! So bigots are going to go to jail when they express hatred? My heart bleeds!" in about a millisecond.

If they were less disingenuous and just admitted that they believe that the state should manage speech as it does, say (in some cases), healthcare and that ultimately this is for the greater good then we'd be able to have a proper, grown-up debate on the subject.

06-22-2017 , 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by JiggyMac

The Left started the entire boycott trend.

https://www.mediamatters.org/researc...rtisers/216607

Let's not gloss over: Antifa, Trump Protests, Berkley, the Rodeo Clown fired simply for wearing an Obama Mask, etc...

The play was a measured response (unless you also opposed MLK style sit-ins) to....a targeted shooting by a Left Wing radical. And no one is saying Griffin should be arrested, she simply doesn't have to be given money. Not to mention her lawyering up after her apology was horse****.

How quickly you forget and gloss over relevant facts.

Forget? I never knew she lawyered up in the first place because I didn't care enough about that particular non-story to follow it religiously like you apparently did.

Don't forget that a woman just won a special election in Georgia by tying her opponent to Ms. Griffin. So yeah, the right is still up in arms about that.

And your timeline around the play seems totally confused, unless you're just terrible at using the English language to make points.

06-22-2017 , 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Noodle Wazlib

And your timeline around the play seems totally confused, unless you're just terrible at using the English language to make points.

Hodgkinson shooting was June 14th, the play disruption was June 17th. There might have been grumbling before, but considering the play started on May 23rd, the protest timeline is accurate.

06-22-2017 , 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Noodle Wazlib

Don't forget that a woman just won a special election in Georgia by tying her opponent to Ms. Griffin. So yeah, the right is still up in arms about that.

We all like to tie each other to our opponent's deplorables. Let me ask you - who would Kathy Griffin endorse?

06-22-2017 , 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by AppleCrumble

No, nature is though.

Wow, so you are in charge of nature?

06-22-2017 , 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by spanktehbadwookie

Wow, so you are in charge of nature?

The anti-science Thought Police certainly aren't.

06-22-2017 , 01:50 PM

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Interesting video but far from unbiased, despite his best efforts.

The idea that Conservatives being triggered by phrases like "happy holidays" is somehow the equal of insisting on the sheer make-believe of 32 different genders gives it away.

Worse than all the genders people identify with is the number of first names.

Some people even expect me to remember their surname too.

06-22-2017 , 01:57 PM

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So that's a no then.

whats the point of trying to explain a pro free speech pov to you when you'll just go out of your way to reject it

06-22-2017 , 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Noodle Wazlib

To an outsider, someone who doesn't nod instinctively when he hears Very Bad Words about political correctness, the whole issue seems very close to the nonsense argument put forth by homophobes about how gay marriage ruins marriage for the rest of us.

agree or disagree it really isn't that kind of video. It could be called nuanced even if i don't agree with every word in it.

06-22-2017 , 10:04 PM

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Isn't it a bit worse? Fox News runs segments on it for weeks on end. The phrase "War on Christmas" is a pretty well worn phrase. Whatever her name was actually argued, on television, in prime time, that Santa, a made up character, couldn't be black. I think the 32 genders thing is a bit silly but I've heard a lot more about how America is a Christian nation, goddamnit, and secular atheists are just ruining it for everyone so many more times than I've ever heard something about more than 2 genders.

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06-22-2017 , 10:23 PM

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Anyone paying the remotest bit of attention would realize that conservatives are merely projecting as usual. They demand certain language be used, then accuse others of political correctness. It would be more funny if so many of their stooges couldn't see the blatant, transparent hypocrisy.

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Originally Posted by JiggyMac

We all like to tie each other to our opponent's deplorables. Let me ask you - who would Kathy Griffin endorse?

Probably someone who supports free speech, which the Georgian GOP candidate, like the rest of the GOP, clearly didn't.