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07-31-2017 , 12:42 AM
Next billion years of humanity huh?
07-31-2017 , 12:48 AM
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Originally Posted by microbet
Next billion years of humanity huh?
I think he's talking about this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Ess..._of_Population

Iron Tamer is saying that our ingenuity will outstrip our population density for a Billion years. So far, the evidence is in his favor.
07-31-2017 , 12:53 AM
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Originally Posted by JiggyMac
I think he's talking about this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Ess..._of_Population

Iron Tamer is saying that our ingenuity will outstrip our population density for a Billion years. So far, the evidence is in his favor.
I know what he meant by Malthus.

Do you know how long a billion years is?

Do you know how long humanity has been around?

Do you know what our ancestors were like a billion years ago?

But go ahead and speculate about humanity a billion years from now numbskulls.
07-31-2017 , 12:57 AM
I'll give you the answers even.

Long time

One or two hundred thousand years depending on what you call humanity.

Single cell organisms

Numbskulls
07-31-2017 , 12:57 AM
its a figure of speech numbnuts, I'm trying to say malthus will be wrong forever, malthus will be wrong as long as the limitation to gathering more resources isn't the speed of light. How can you get hung up on this lol wtf.

"The literal mind is baffled by the ironic one, demanding explanations that only intensify the joke."

from a lefty we both like I hope, the late great C. Hitchens
07-31-2017 , 12:59 AM
Im dying of laughter lol

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07-31-2017 , 05:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Iron Tamer
also fossil fuels aren't getting scarcer, the scarcity idea is a crock of ****

resources are directly tied to human ingenuity. We have a magnitude more access to more oil today from shale and fracking and deep sea drilling then we did in the 1900s

malthus does not apply to humanity, atleast for the next billion years of human existance
you have no idea what you're talking about...

the shale "revolution" has already shot its wad... you might want to pay closer attention.
07-31-2017 , 05:44 AM
you linked to 1 of 3 things that I said, and the reason shale is bad is because its expensive in todays market not because its super hard to extract. This does not prove at all that oil is a scarce resource that we need to preserve.

when tech improves shale will be another source of oil. Just like the tar sands in Alberta.

and I noticed you didn't talk about deep sea drilling or fracking or the general idea that we have access to far more crude oil today after 150 years of drilling than ever before. If you want to argue nitpicking a small point is not the way to go.
07-31-2017 , 08:50 AM
FWIW, I looped with a schmuck that spent a decade jumping from sea rig to sea rig all around the GREAT U. S. of A coasts

In passing, and as part of a related conversation, this cat said to me..." if anyone knew how many oil rigs off the coast of Maine and such that were built and immediately capped not even to be used, we wouldnt be entertaining this notion of a possible oil shortage, there is a lot of oil"

This was mid 90's tho so maybe we opened them now
07-31-2017 , 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Iron Tamer
you linked to 1 of 3 things that I said, and the reason shale is bad is because its expensive in todays market not because its super hard to extract. This does not prove at all that oil is a scarce resource that we need to preserve.
It's expensive BECAUSE it's super hard to extract and refine... YOu understand how this works, yes?

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Originally Posted by Iron Tamer
when tech improves shale will be another source of oil. Just like the tar sands in Alberta.
It already is another source of oil,genius. In fact, it accounts for about twice as much production as tar sands does. It's just that they can't seem to make any money doing it.

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Originally Posted by Iron Tamer
and I noticed you didn't talk about deep sea drilling or fracking or the general idea that we have access to far more crude oil today after 150 years of drilling than ever before. If you want to argue nitpicking a small point is not the way to go.
It's not a small point, and it's become clear you're just another "econ 101" bro who doesn't understand the energy dynamic and what goes into keeping complex societies humming. Hint: It's cheap and easy-to-produce energy that maintains healthy grows. Fracking, deep water and police actions abroad for the oil of rogue nations are not cheap nor easy.

"Having access" to oil reserves says little about the economic viability of those reserves. Right now, we're scraping the barrel for tight oil plays that are bankrupting the industry, and only remain above water due to expanding lines of Wall St. credit.

Pay better attention.
07-31-2017 , 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by leavesofliberty
You don't need to make an argument for the conservation of fossil fuels. The pricing mechanism does this already. When fossil fuels get scarce, the price of oil goes up making it valuable to find more, to preserve what already exists, or to find alternative energies.
No i do if i dont like poison fish and air.
07-31-2017 , 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by batair
No i do if i dont like poison fish and air.
And yet you'll mine rare earth metals for batteries and toxic sludge for solar panels (which you'll also use fossil fuels to power the extraction vehicles).

What energy sources are even allowing you to post this, Mr. Polluter?
07-31-2017 , 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by JiggyMac
And yet you'll mine rare earth metals for batteries and toxic sludge for solar panels (which you'll also use fossil fuels to power the extraction vehicles).

What energy sources are even allowing you to post this, Mr. Polluter?
Yeah we should have better regs on mining too. Please eat fish out of your local waters every meal.
07-31-2017 , 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by batair
Yeah we should have better regs on mining too. Please eat fish out of your local waters every meal.
When will you stop poisoning them with your energy consumption?
07-31-2017 , 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by JiggyMac
When will you stop poisoning them with your energy consumption?


You are doing that accusatory thing again.
07-31-2017 , 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by JiggyMac
When will you stop poisoning them with your energy consumption?
Yes because I want smarter use means I want no use. When will you stop making dim I know you are but what am I posts?
07-31-2017 , 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by batair
Yes because I want smarter use means I want no use. When will you stop making dim I know you are but what am I posts?
pssst...

You're hypocrisy is showing.
07-31-2017 , 03:15 PM
Meh
07-31-2017 , 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by JiggyMac
pssst...



You're hypocrisy is showing.


Hahaha look who's taking charge of "hypocrisy".
07-31-2017 , 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by batair
No i do if i dont like poison fish and air.
Regulation is a lot better than subsidies.
07-31-2017 , 11:49 PM
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Originally Posted by leavesofliberty
Regulation is a lot better than subsidies.
Why?

It would have cost much more to get the same benefit by regulating the pollution of fossil fuels than came through subsidies for renewables.

Both subsidies and regulation are done and both should be done where they are most effective.

      
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