Wookie says he has dished out two permabans and four days of temp bans in the Alpha thread on the Paris attacks. This thread is for people who want to say things that they think will get them banned in that thread.

Full disclosure: This is kind of a trap and I just want to be able to read lol-worthy hot takes on terrorism, Islam, and how Obama is somehow to blame for this.

kill the terrorists with kindness

God Bless Bassar Al-Assad and and let God bring punishment to those leaders who tried to oust him

blowback....

not be confused with back blown... which is very different

From 2003: http://www.onpower.org/foreign_blowback.html

Blowback can also result from foreign hatred of the United States generated by its numerous interventions into the affairs of other nations. One manifestation of such hatred is terrorist attacks on U.S. (or Western European) targets.

Blowback, while often bringing horrible consequences—witness 9/11—also has its useful side for policymakers. The resulting crises furnish excellent justifications for the government’s acquisition of new powers over its citizens. Consult any newspaper for details.

"The man of system . . . is apt to be very wise in his own conceit; and is often so enamoured with the supposed beauty of his own ideal plan of government, that he cannot suffer the smallest deviation from any part of it. . . . He seems to imagine that he can arrange the different members of a great society with as much ease as the hand arranges the different pieces upon the chess-board. He does not consider that the pieces upon the chess-board have no other principle of motion besides that which the hand impresses upon them; but that, in the great chess-board of human society, every single piece has a principle of motion of its own . . . ." - Adam Smith

Blowback regarding France? Maybe, my understanding is that France is less tolerant of certain Islamic religious practices when compared to the USA. Still killing folks seems way wrong to me.

Well if you disagree ...never mind.

Caveat, terrorism can carry a different meaning to different people. If we're talking about yesterday's massacre in Paris, you are an intelligent person, what is your take on this?

We will be greeted as liberators

This kind of pathological thinking is the cause of these tragedies.

The expressed desire for punishment of people is more 'pathologic' than the expressed desire of letting God do it. IMO. Dysfunctional is probably a better word than pathological in that spot.

You've misdiagnosed the problem, so you've misprescribed the solution. It's a culture war, a clash of civilizations, and religion is just the means to embolden soldiers to die for the cause. Frankly, it's working, because their side is the only emboldened one right now and that's why it's making gains while European civilization fades into memory.

What kind of take do you want?

Preventing terrorism requires a surveillance state with technological abilities currently beyond what we can do now. We should consider backing groups on the opposite side of Wahhabists in any conflict with a Sunni vs Shia overlay.

Instead, we do vast business dealings with them ...

jiggs,

how much thermite was involved in the Paris false flag from last night?

got me conflated with someone else's argument again, like the good troll you are? awwww

kinda disappointed ITT so far....

"a culture war, a clash of civilizations" is kinda promising though. Please, continue and let's not forget talking about how this is a Very Special Point in History with absolutely unprecedented issues......

Don't need this thread. They found a safe place for their bigotry and hatred in OOT.

It's like basic math. A dozen machine guns doesn't equal a billion and more people.

But but but, why no candlelight vigils in Cairo and Baghdad? Obviously they are complicit!

This will do

Is Sharia law one aspect of a particular culture, a very important aspect? Contrast this with the the Constitutional law traditions of the Western world which is also a key aspect of a particular culture. In my view these cultural aspects are far different and actually do seem to be in conflict with each other. Then the idea of Jihad which I would view as another cultural aspect. Now how Jihad is viewed by practicing Muslims differs a lot is my understanding. Militant and violent tactics is of course one way that some Muslims promote Jihad. Using militant and violent tactics to impose a culture on a group that has far different and in conflict cultural values with things like Sharia law seems warlike to me.

Jiggs has a good point though, when the USA cozies up to countries like Saudi Arabia then the blatant hypocrisy undermines USA moral authority and credibility. So yeah when politicians that support alliances with countries that subjigate women to being chattel, are intolerant of other religions, that persecute gay lifestyles and what have you talk about culture wars they deserve to be mocked.

Why should we care any more about these attacks than the terrorist attacks endured frequently by other people around the world? If 200 innocent people are killed in Yemen or Palestine nobody cares but if it happens to white people its a seminal moment in history which demands increased terrorism against the browns as a response- is that really what people believe? but are too cowardly to openly say?

Pretty much

It's removing their option of believing it's not their problem. Those who don't care much about others, still don't much care about others but now they're worried it might be them.

We see the same sort of thing with global warning - so many people simply don't care while it's poor countries who might suffer severe flooding, drought, starvation etc but once we have a bad weather event suddenly it's a much bigger deal.

I actually agree but I am responding to the mocking of the idea that there is a clash of cultural ideas.