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12-04-2015 , 12:22 PM
They were racists as well. The two aren't mutually exclusive - maybe you haven't grasped that yet.
12-04-2015 , 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by LetsGambool
Slave holders weren't racist, they just wanted profits
Africans weren't racist, they just wanted to sell people of their own race for profit.
12-04-2015 , 12:23 PM
Exactly, a non racist slave holder isn't something that would be logically impossible. You wanting it to be doesn't change it one little bit.
12-04-2015 , 12:24 PM
So, yeah, you all need to read what ShameTrolly wrote.

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They were racists as well. The two aren't mutually exclusive - maybe you haven't grasped that yet.
Whoops chez, better walk that back.
12-04-2015 , 12:25 PM
Let's not dumb down oppressionists as simply racists.
12-04-2015 , 12:28 PM
lol again LG!

However many times Shame explains why his descriptions are superior to more expressive more commonly used descriptions it will never be correct. At best they are no worse.
12-04-2015 , 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Yakmelk
Sometimes the person doing X can only be judged by what he is perceived to be doing, hence the confusion on whether he's actually doing X and whether he is actually Xist. Say he can win a million bucks by saying racist things while not being racist, the perceived action will be 'he's doing X' without him actually being 'Xist' but performing those actions with a whole different motivation.
OK, let's try X=Nude.

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... Sometimes the person going around naked can only be judged by what he is perceived to be doing, hence the confusion on whether he's actually going around naked and whether he is actually a nudist. Say he can win a million bucks by going around naked while not being a nudist, the perceived action will be he's doing around naked without him actually being a nudist but performing the action of going around naked with a whole different motivation...
Which is a buncha gibberish. So... how would I deal with someone who insists on this nonsense. What word could I use to convey this information: "a person who is going around naked, regardless of motivation" ??

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Originally Posted by chezlaw
... For some reason you think you are achieving something but nothing changes about what is being described - you haven't solved anything. All you've done is made everything sound the same...
Let's say that we're considering a lake. A lake being despoiled by illegal fishing. Let's further imagine these illegal fishers have a 'seat at the table', so to speak.

It would be really useful to these illegal fishers to be able to quibble about what the word 'poaching' means. As in... whenever somebody else would say: "We gotta stop this poaching!". They could then say that 'poaching' means "Only Illegal fishing that is willful environmental vandalism". Then disappear down the rabbit hole of 'grok'ing peoples 'secret inner heart'. etc.

So, in this example, what word could the anti-illegal fishing folk use, that won't set off this fatal discussion derail? Do you think it would be tactically sound for the illegal fishers to agree to another term that means "Illegal fishing in general"?

It's the same with the peeps who whine about the sandy-vagina PC-police. What word do they want the rest of us to use, if we humor them and avoid the R-Word ??

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... It's not a defense of Trump to describe it in a more explanatory way. if anything the reverse because...
Here you are giving tactical advice to activists. Cut it out. Unless you can cite some studies that conclude that a strategy of directly calling peeps like Trump out using the R-word is significantly less successful than a strategy of describing 'it in a more explanatory way'.

Last edited by Shame Trolly !!!1!; 12-04-2015 at 12:57 PM.
12-04-2015 , 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Shame Trolly !!!1!
Let's say that we're considering a lake. A lake being despoiled by illegal fishing. Let's further imagine these illegal fishers have a 'seat at the table', so to speak.

It would be really useful to these illegal fishers to be able to quibble about what the word 'poaching' means. As in... whenever somebody else would say: "We gotta stop this poaching!". They could then say that 'poaching' means "Only Illegal fishing that is willful environmental vandalism". Then disappear down the rabbit hole of 'grok'ing peoples 'secret inner heart'. etc.

So, in this example, what word could the anti-illegal fishing folk use, that won't set off this fatal discussion derail? Do you think it would be tactically sound for the illegal fishers to agree to another term that means "Illegal fishing in general"?

It's the same with the peeps who whine about the sandy-vagina PC-police. What word do they want the rest of us to use, if we humor them and avoid the R-Word ??
Who wants you to avoid the R-word?

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Here you are giving tactical advice to activists. Cut it out. Unless you can cite some studies that conclude that a strategy of directly calling peeps like Trump out using the R-word is significantly less successful than a strategy of describing 'it in a more explanatory way'.
You have studies that show it matters what words you use to call him out? studies that show even if it once has some significant impact it hasn't diminished due to overuse? Studies that show potential Trump supporters haven't largely dismissed it because they too are called racist regularly?

At least you are acknowledging that it's about strategy not about meaning. Take it a bit further and explain what the strategy is? I'm open to it, just don't try to persuade me it's anytging to do with superior meaning because that's hogwash
12-04-2015 , 12:59 PM
Trolly, Im not reading your whole post because your first sentence was pretty dumb to begin with. Ill leave you be to figure out what the difference is between what I said and what you said, think hard and you might get there.
12-04-2015 , 01:07 PM
Oh look, Yak and bahbah handwaving away actual examples of their bull****. Shocking.
12-04-2015 , 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by LetsGambool
Any single statement anyone made that is racist bahbah. Not limited to Trump. Any single example of something anyone said that didn't include hate speech that you thought was racist.
Insert random black joke I heard growing up.

We can also add the story someone told ITT about the hockey mom that was adopting an AA girl. You might not remember this story, because I think it was before you ruined this thread.

If you wanted me to add to another to the list we can also add MW, which I wouldn't call racism, but around here it qualifies just like voter ID laws.
12-04-2015 , 01:10 PM
Whoa, tactics and strategies are related, but not synonymous.
12-04-2015 , 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by LetsGambool
Oh look, Yak and bahbah handwaving away actual examples of their bull****. Shocking.
Thats what I would say if I didn't understand a word of what was said.
12-04-2015 , 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey
Insert random black joke I heard growing up.

We can also add the story someone told ITT about the hockey mom that was adopting an AA girl. You might not remember this story, because I think it was before you ruined this thread.

If you wanted me to add to another to the list we can also add MW, which I wouldn't call racism, but around here it qualifies just like voter ID laws.
Amazing stuff, cant give a single public statement and references the minimum wage laws as racist.
12-04-2015 , 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by spanktehbadwookie
Whoa, tactics and strategies are related, but not synonymous.
I appreciate that but in this case either or both should be fine.

If Shame drops the meaning hogwash and explains the strategic and/or tactical advantage of his preferred use of words then I'm open to it. Not expecting anything we haven't considered before but lets have at it.
12-04-2015 , 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by LetsGambool
Oh look, Yak and bahbah handwaving away actual examples of their bull****. Shocking.
What did I handwave?

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Originally Posted by LetsGambool
Amazing stuff, cant give a single public statement and references the minimum wage laws as racist.
You asked for an example of someone saying something racist so I go above and beyond and deliver 4. Now it has to be a public statement? Just so we can skip the back and forth of me giving you answers then you moving the field goals can you just to pick exactly what you want so I only have to do this once? Just define public statement and who qualifys.

Once italian soccer fans chanted "there is no such thing as a black italian" at mario balotelli (a black italian soccer player). I am guessing this doesn't count because it wasn't in the US or because it was more than a year ago or because it wasn't on a wednesday.
12-04-2015 , 01:52 PM
So, just to be clear, one of your examples is "having a minimum wage"?

No such thing as a black Italian....that's pretty much hate speech bahbah.
12-04-2015 , 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
I appreciate that but in this case either or both should be fine.



If Shame drops the meaning hogwash and explains the strategic and/or tactical advantage of his preferred use of words then I'm open to it. Not expecting anything we haven't considered before but lets have at it.

Well we could go into all sorts of finer details about actions and strategy , but an assertion has been made that- according to science- the preferred forum popular method is to call stuff and people names. So you are a pretty flower unless you call stuff names and then cite it as your work.
12-04-2015 , 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey
If you wanted me to add to another to the list we can also add MW, which I wouldn't call racism, but around here it qualifies just like voter ID laws.
Wait, you don't think voter ID laws are racist? And before you answer realize that the people making the laws are making them specifically so black people have a harder time voting than other groups.
12-04-2015 , 02:56 PM
Oh man, bahbah has spewed volumes on the subject. He thinks they are no more or less racist than having a minimum wage because he claims the minimum wage adversely affects minorities because....reasons.

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Wait, you don't think voter ID laws are racist? And before you answer realize that the people making the laws are making them specifically so black people have a harder time voting than other groups.
Bahbah's theory of racism completely rejects this logic. He doesn't think this is why the laws are being enacted. Unless you have lawmakers saying "don't let those n*ggers vote" on tape (by someone outside the lamestream media LDO), then the law cannot be racist.

He's also against giving out free IDs when implementing voter ID laws. Or, more precisely, he wants to make sure that the cost of any ID is deducted from any government assistance people may receive because **** the poor being able to vote.

Oh he also says that if voter ID laws are racist than raising the highest marginal tax rate must be racist (costs white people more money!) and repealing voter ID laws would be racist as well (proportionately helps more minorities!)

Last edited by LetsGambool; 12-04-2015 at 03:01 PM.
12-04-2015 , 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by kerowo
Wait, you don't think voter ID laws are racist? And before you answer realize that the people making the laws are making them specifically so black people have a harder time voting than other groups.
In some other thread there was a long convo about voter ID laws being racist. I was told it was racist because it prevents a higher % of AA from voting than any other race. I then asked, if having one race being negatively effected at a higher % than other races due to a law wouldn't that mean that a lot of laws are racist. I then said that MW was said to negatively effect AA more than any other race too so isn't it racist as well? I also linked a few articles that also said MW was racist and how it always has been. gambool, and his followers followed this with a lot of hand waving and lols. Then gambool tactfully changed the topic and something like hey do you remember one time bahbah linked a racist article a year or two ago?
12-04-2015 , 03:13 PM
Also because at least some lawmakers are on record as saying "we put these laws in place to lower minority turnout". There's that.
12-04-2015 , 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by kerowo
Wait, you don't think voter ID laws are racist? And before you answer realize that the people making the laws are making them specifically so black people have a harder time voting than other groups.
If creating a law with the intent of negatively impacting a minority is racist in your mind, welcome to my team for this argument. I have to warn you that I have had this argument before here and you need to expect at lot of "lol"s, hand-waving and gambool changing the subject.

Raising the MW has been passed with the intent of pricing minorities out of the market in the past.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/carriesh...-minimum-wage/


http://www.courier-journal.com/story...ties/14955629/
12-04-2015 , 03:30 PM
Yes. Because its 1925 and white-dominated unions with high prevailing wages are common. Oh and random blogger says so.

Great sense of context as usual bahbah, this is why you are a consensus dumbest 1% poster on this site.

Curious...why do you think minorities, you know, vote for politicans that push for higher minimum wages? Are they just dumb or, oh let me guess, brainwashing by the lamestream media that wont tell you the truth that Elephants in the Bluegrass will give to you straight?
12-04-2015 , 03:36 PM
Finally found some Clear American Peach flavored sparkling water but it's in cans. Definitely really good and I hope to see it in bottles.

      
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