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12-04-2015 , 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
Sure, both racist and non-racists can deliberately lie for political gain and both can be pandering to racist sentiments or not while doing it...
No.

Someone who willfully lies to pander racist sentiments for personal gain is a racist.
12-04-2015 , 11:35 AM
chez and bahbah are very similar politically. Their main political issue is that nothing short of outright hate speech is ever called racist (and in some cases, like calling Mexican immigrants rapists, not even then) Trump is trying to get elected by appealing to the chez/bahbah wing of conservatives who are either racists or willing to remain blind to the racism.
12-04-2015 , 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Shame Trolly !!!1!
No.

Someone who willfully lies to pander racist sentiments for personal gain is a racist.
Yes.

Dumbing down language is dumb and adds nothing except confusion.
12-04-2015 , 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by LetsGambool
chez and bahbah are very similar politically. Their main political issue is that nothing short of outright hate speech is ever called racist (and in some cases, like calling Mexican immigrants rapists, not even then) Trump is trying to get elected by appealing to the chez/bahbah wing of conservatives who are either racists or willing to remain blind to the racism.
If anyone has time today can you please count both the amount of times I have said you don't have to use hate speech to be racist and trump isn't in my top 5 of republican nominees just to see which one is gambool more wrong about.



Again:

I don't like trump.

I am all about ending racism, but I believe crying wolf slows the rate at which we destroy racism.
12-04-2015 , 11:44 AM
OK, give one example of a racist statement made by Trump. Or a racist statement that didn't include hate speech.
12-04-2015 , 11:46 AM
Quote:
Sure, both racist and non-racists can deliberately lie for political gain and both can be pandering to racist sentiments or not while doing it...

Quote:
No.

Someone who willfully lies to pander racist sentiments for personal gain is a racist
.

Quote:
Originally Posted by chezlaw
Yes.

Dumbing down language is dumb and adds nothing except confusion.
Way to contradict yourself moron.
12-04-2015 , 11:47 AM
lol at letsgambool. The obsessive nutter is confusing descriptions with what is being described.

That's what happens when you dumb things down mate.
12-04-2015 , 11:49 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by LetsGambool
Way to contradict yourself moron.
No contradiction you nutter

You dumb things down and then you confuse yourself.
12-04-2015 , 11:50 AM
chez, Im not your mate, I wish you were swallowed before birth.

lol at someone whose whole purpose for posting here is to make sure no one is mean to racists talking about dumbing things down.
12-04-2015 , 11:53 AM
sorry mate, you don't get to choose.

It's like most things in life - they don't change however nutty and obsessive you are about it.
12-04-2015 , 11:54 AM
Yes Im aware. I have to read the chez/bahbahmickey voting group political thoughts every day on here.
12-04-2015 , 11:55 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by LetsGambool
OK, give one example of a racist statement made by Trump. Or a racist statement that didn't include hate speech.
Well, like I have said 4-5 times I have never heard trump say anything racist, but that doesn't mean hasn't said anything racist. I don't really like him so I don't really listen to him. If he said:

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Originally Posted by LetsGambool
(trump) wants to create a database of all Muslims and restrict their religious freedom
that would be obvious discrimination. However, I have to consider that you said this and I've never heard anyone else say it so it is likely to be another one of your lies/exaggerations to make everyone conservative seem racist.
12-04-2015 , 11:57 AM
Any single statement anyone made that is racist bahbah. Not limited to Trump. Any single example of something anyone said that didn't include hate speech that you thought was racist.
12-04-2015 , 11:57 AM
Thinking you have to is part of your obsessive nuttiness LG.

The reality is it's pretty much all down to you.
12-04-2015 , 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
Yes. Dumbing down language is dumb and adds nothing except confusion.
Eh, no.

There is no dumbing down language going on when calling someone who does "X" a "Xist". That's how the language is supposed to work. Someone who walks around nude is a nudist. Got it?

What is dumbing down the language is this insisting that the R-word is somehow a special case. And that isn't really the problem directly. Those who wish to derail conversations, and yes, dumb down the language, by insisting that the R-word is in fact a special case... aren't offering any other word as a substitute.

Person A: That segregated lunch counter owner is a racist!
Person N: WTF, how do you know that he isn't just acting on his greed?
Person A: IDK, my issue is with that racist lunch counter!
Person N: Well, you haven't proved that racism is even involved, because it could just be simple greed. So stop being the PC police, and bringing race into everything, blah, blah, blah. Stop using non-standard language, and get that sand out of your vagina. All you're doing is bringing confusion, blah, blah, blah.

Last edited by Shame Trolly !!!1!; 12-04-2015 at 12:03 PM.
12-04-2015 , 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
Thinking you have to is part of your obsessive nuttiness LG.

The reality is it's pretty much all down to you.
OK, bahbah denies that he will only call something racist if it includes outright hate speech, but there's not a single example in recorded history that he can provide.

Seems legit chez, good call!
12-04-2015 , 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Shame Trolly !!!1!
Eh, no.

There is no dumbing down language going on when calling someone who does "X" and "Xist". That's how the language is supposed to work. Someone who walks around nude is a nudist. Got it?
eh Yes.

For some reason you think you are achieving something but nothing changes about what is being described - you haven't solved anything. All you've done is made everything sound the same.

It's not a defense of Trump to describe it in a more explanatory way. if anything the reverse because you make it sound like Trump is no worse than so many others when he is far worse than many of them.

Got it?
12-04-2015 , 12:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by LetsGambool
OK, bahbah denies that he will only call something racist if it includes outright hate speech, but there's not a single example in recorded history that he can provide.

Seems legit chez, good call!
What call are you going on about now mate?

Sounds like your delusions are setting in again.
12-04-2015 , 12:06 PM
Over-complication is dumbing down's kissing cousin.
12-04-2015 , 12:08 PM
soooooo much twisting to avoid calling people referring to Mexicans as rapists or bitching about their crazy circus music racist.

that's the chezlaw purpose for living. Just sad really. Id eat a bullet instead, but to each their own.
12-04-2015 , 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by spanktehbadwookie
Over-complication is dumbing down's kissing cousin.
True and in a sense it doesn't matter because Shame, me, LG and you all think much the same of Trump however we describe it.

It only really matters because of the confusion caused by the fact so many use the words in a different way. There's no good reason not to avoid that confusion.
12-04-2015 , 12:13 PM
chez, no we don't. Stop thinking you are fooling people.
12-04-2015 , 12:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by LetsGambool
soooooo much twisting to avoid calling people referring to Mexicans as rapists or bitching about their crazy circus music racist.

that's the chezlaw purpose for living. Just sad really. Id eat a bullet instead, but to each their own.
Or so much obsessive nuttiness by you to insist on your preferred descriptions as if it achieves anything.

Even so I wish you well mate.
12-04-2015 , 12:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shame Trolly !!!1!
Eh, no.

There is no dumbing down language going on when calling someone who does "X" a "Xist". That's how the language is supposed to work. Someone who walks around nude is a nudist. Got it?

What is dumbing down the language is this insisting that the R-word is somehow a special case. And that isn't really the problem directly. Those who wish to derail conversations, and yes, dumb down the language, by insisting that the R-word is in fact a special case... aren't offering any other word as a substitute.

Person A: That segregated lunch counter owner is a racist!
Person N: WTF, how do you know that he isn't just acting on his greed?
Person A: IDK, my issue is with that racist lunch counter!
Person N: Well, you haven't proved that racism is even involved, because it could just be simple greed. So stop being the PC police, and bringing race into everything, blah, blah, blah. Stop using non-standard language, and get that sand out of your vagina. All you're doing is bringing confusion, blah, blah, blah.
Sometimes the person doing X can only be judged by what he is perceived to be doing, hence the confusion on whether he's actually doing X and whether he is actually Xist. Say he can win a million bucks by saying racist things while not being racist, the perceived action will be 'he's doing X' without him actually being 'Xist' but performing those actions with a whole different motivation.
12-04-2015 , 12:19 PM
Slave holders weren't racist, they just wanted profits

      
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