This is 100% a strawman figment of your imagination.

gambool, get a ****ing life will you?

So... you flat out are admitting that you are a conscious determined hypocrite. You've been hectoring people with your stupid trick question for months. But if someone asks you the same exact question... you refuse to answer, and characterize even being asking that question as 'hating'.

Well... you've asked your stupid trick question to lots of people, I only asked one (you). So who's the bigger 'hater' ??

Anyways... rest assured, the next time I catch you asking your stupid trick question to anyone else, I'll chime right in and (a) link to this thread, and (b) relentlessly call you a 'hater'. So I guess, as a conscious determined hypocrite, you'll end up getting the treatment you truly deserve.

Yeah, we know how is this game is played...

Can we examine this thread, and finally come up with an explicit example of this alleged phenomenon? How can you say anyone is being forced to "shut up"? How is that even possible on an interwebs forum? Why do you feel a need to stop these alleged 'productive discussions' just because of a little anonymous online heckling? Can you name any other topic where you are this absurdly sensitive? For example: if you wanted to discuss the Raiders, and I posted "Raiders Suck"... would you immediately abandon that 'productive discussion'? How come nobody on Team#N can tell us what they would have said if they weren't heckled, even in theory? How come nobody on Team#N is willing to play-act one of these alleged 'productive discussions'? How come nobody on Team#N can link to one of these alleged 'productive discussions' anywhere else on the interwebs? How come, during the period of self-modded threads, there were exactly zero of these alleged 'productive discussions'? How come, universally, members of Team#N refuse to engage in this kinda meta-conversation... even though they're the one's who always take the conversation to the meta-level to begin with?

We know none of that is ever going to happen... now don't we?

What's really happening is this. Somebody posts some racist (or perhaps not racist) content. Someone else calls them out. Then the Tone-Policemen derail the thread with all this crap. The only people destroying conversations is the Tone-Policemen. And even if our particular tone police crossing guards aren't aware of it... this whole tone-policing strategy of derailing conversations about race is a consciously designed, focus-group tested, and professionally disseminated strategy to deny, minimize, and trivialize institutional racism.

lol at Shame trolly still in denial about the way he and others participate in the endless derail of threads.

It's da "Tone-Policeman"

Gee, I don't know... in fact, so far, since you are keeping it a secret... nobody knows. Why don't you tell us all, IYO...

When do people stop being racist?



Of course it is... it's your damn stupid trick question. The question you refuse to answer yourself or even explain. How can that be anyone's fault but yours you semi-literate idiot ??

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Seriously, why should anyone take this alleged overweening phenomenon seriously, when we can't even get one... not a single one... actual example of it every happening ??

Trolly, when people lie and attack posters as gambool and many others often do, it causes disruptions to threads and turns them into poo flinging contests. I don't know why that's so hard to get. Your citation, as usual, is the very thread in which you're asking the silly question.

There are 100s of posts ITT. Can we narrow it down to the sequence of posts where (a) before there was a 'significant discussion' happening, and (b) after there was only 'disruption'. You know... the actual point where the conversation fell off the rails?

This thread tends to be pretty interesting when people recount things they feel are racist that have happened to them or they've seen happen to others. Then other people can pitch in and talk about them. It gets derailed when people start being aholes to each other. There are plenty of examples throughout this thread, including within the last few pages.

Is a few like 3-9? Is that 20 post pages, or 100 post pages? Is there any possible way we can actually get an explicit group of posts where this alleged derailing happened... ever, for any thread, on 2+2 or anywhere else?

And... does the same thing happen over in SE? Like a thread about the peoples experience playing dress-up for Raiders games might be pretty interesting. Would a Charger fan posting "Raiders Suck" derail that thread and start all the being a-holes to each other?

Or does this only happen... surprise, surprise... regarding the PC-Sandy Vagina Interweb Meanies, you know along those focus-group tested and professionally disseminated lines.

It's very easy to spot, like I said, the past few pages are a huge derail of people insulting each other. Not interesting. Boring.

Sports forum is different, and I've explained to you before why it's a silly comparison. Sports are all about teaming up and talking trash. Most who do that are being tongue in cheek, and those who get too serious are sometimes reminded that it's just a game. Either way, few discussions on sport have any significant meaning in the real world.

Shame - You don't think another difference might be that most forums have mods who keep things under control?

Maybe it's only P and PU that mysteriously require your bizarre weird talk about meanies all the time.

Like I said earlier, how can anyone take this alleged problem seriously if we can't even get one... not even one... example case to examine? If it's easy to spot, it's easy to link. So far, and I've been asking for about six years now, nobody... and I mean nobody... can come up with even one single link. Also... I'm quite likely to get accused of ZOMG STRAWMAN ZOMG, or by Teh Jabber-Wookie of 'cherry picking,' if I pick what I think is an example.

None of these discussions, Alta Politards, Baja Politards, SE have any significance to the real world. They are all just conspicuous consumption of free time. That's not even relevant.

My point is... does somebody in SE doing an off-topic heckle cause those intent on having a 'significant discussion' to, en mass, abandon it and insist on changing the topic of conversation to about how mean the meanies are on the interwebs? If not... why not there, and why here?

Well, it sure would help if we had an example to work through. Then we could compare it to examples from other forums. Is there any chance that that might happen here?

ST just tried to disrupt LG's behavior being critically questioned by trying to shift the topic to somebody else using previously described fallacious rhetoric devices.

Not sure why he is so uptight about likely correct answers to the questions which have been proposed?

Because that's one of the points of rooting for sports teams: to razz one another. If people (like my Cub fan friend) take it too seriously they can't even take smack talk, then they obviously need to lighten up and realize it's just a game.

Many people come to a politics forum to discuss issues that are not just a game, and actually do have significance in the real world. Posters who treat the forum in the same manner as sports forum, teaming up and constantly talking **** to people on the other "team", clutter up threads with needless smack talk. You're absolutely right the best thing is to ignore them, but it doesn't always work when they are following you around spreading gossip and lies.

You're being really dense acting like you don't see this. Nobody want's to waste time digging up examples for you. They're everywhere. Just read letsgambools posts. Every other one is a needless insult designed to start a fight. Again, you're being dense acting like you see nothing wrong. This generation is already getting dubbed "generation shame", you named yourself after it, Southpark is devoting an entire season to making fun of it, history will look back with a huge grimace at how douchebags on the internet enjoyed lying and trolling each other in the name of social justice.

Yeah, Gambool's insults are really ruining Unchained.

yeah, you've noticed all threads degenerate in much the same way.

Not all down to LG of course.

Was the Lincoln Douglas debates until I got involved

Meanies is just an excuse. I already know and have observed that the range of reasons people call racist are entertainment, zealotry, trolling, personal attack, opinion of racism, and legitimate accusation of racism. Just being a meanie isn't even on the list.

You should write Mat, chez. The insult forum has an insult level that is too damn high.

I don't know what you mean?

Just how extreme can one interpret the site-wide rules? Not sure why you would need to email Mat on such a matter we can simply discuss openly here. It's trivial though as the site-wide rules don't really predict much if what the P and PU mod's actually do and you can't get much lower than denigrating illiterates, who can't even understand the depth of their own circumstance. Anybody can see the benchmarks are as they have been set. I have no idea why you would need to report them to authority when we can deal with them ourselves?

"I think this discussion sucks so I'm going to do my best to ruin it for everyone else by starting fights." Sounds about right.

Everyday society evolved to eliminate such petty childishness. I assume the internet will eventually sort it out.

I know you liked your chain email discussion, but you are a ****in idiot.

Der okay

Lol @ wookie defending gambool.

You ****ing people.