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08-07-2015 , 11:28 AM
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I claim to have never said that they didn't look at other things besides address and name.[/QUOTE]
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From what I remember the article made no mention of research to see if one candidate was a better loanee than another. All they looked at was last name and address.
Like how stupid are you? Do you just not know how words work or something?

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That is exactly what he did with our CEO hiring process debate. I said you can't say the actual hiring process is racist because there are so many other previous factors that could be racist to definitely say it was the hiring process that was the root of the evil.
Lets post the conversation and put it to a vote. Loser is permaexiled from PU. Deal?

Remember your first post on the subject of "things we will be ridiculed for in the future"

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The poll should include things like:the theory of global warming (or global cooling), vegetarianism, LBGT not having equal rights, a government can outlaw a child from eating certain foods, a gov't outlawing someone to gamble online with their money but be okay with a state run lottery, gov't having a hand in the postal service & retirement planning, that we still don't have free trade w/ some countries, marijuana being illegal on a federal level (as opposed to county or state levels), how a low % of CEOs being minorities is proof of a good ol' boy network/ racism in corporate America but a low number of white men in NBA isn't a good ol' boy network or racism, how common drinking & driving still is, how closely the politics forum on 2+2 is & how much freedom mods on 2+2 have.
sooooooo....yeah you are full of ****, explicitly are talking about the idea that there is a good old boy network that limits opportunities as one of the things we will be ridiculed for thinking its real.

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I'm not sure what exactly you mean by how companies groom potential executes, but if you are suggesting they would groom a women different than a man (or black diff than white) I don't see how or why. How are CEO searches done in a way that help a white male?
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Another quote explicitly talking about how there aren't different opportunities for different groups

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Umm... the post that I copied and pasted then added the bolded words to.

I never said the way someone becomes an NBA player and the way someone becomes a CEO are the same. If you are from certain states and play on certain AAU teams or go to certain basketball schools you probably get a slight edge over someone else just like a guy that went to harvard would have an edge over a high-school grade. But nobody is picking an NBA player or a CEO because of his race, sex, or religion.
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Just quoting this for lol bahbah is a moron

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I agree that who you know does matter, so if the people that play an important roll in the hiring process are racist then there is an issue. Of course it would work both ways where this could hurt all sexes and races. If you don't think there times when a man is trying to hire someone and is only looking at female candidates you are as dumb as you think I am.

I am not denying racism & sexism still exists in America, but corporate America seems far less touched by its existence than the rest of the country. Greed can be a good thing.
Just once again, you just parrot things and are too dumb to understand what you are parroting. Its hilarious.

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08-07-2015 , 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey
You make a good point. However, if I suggest that credit scores could be behind the worse loans for a race gambool will say that is racist.
You just have to learn not to worry what that that obsessive nut job says.

What his probably trying to say is that if some race has worse credit scores then that's also down to racism.
08-07-2015 , 11:47 AM
You just have to learn that when that obsessive nutjob chez carries water for any and all racists, regardless of what they said and with no interest in anything that happened, that he is just an obsessive nutjob passive-aggressively fighting a nearly year old quixotic battle.
08-07-2015 , 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by LetsGambool
You just have to learn that when that obsessive nutjob chez carries water for any and all racists, regardless of what they said and with no interest in anything that happened, that he is just an obsessive nutjob passive-aggressively fighting a nearly year old quixotic battle.
time for your stronger meds mate.

Shall I call the nurse for you or can you manage ?
08-07-2015 , 12:18 PM
Whatever chez, keep fighting that good fight. Maybe this time the tone of the forum towards racists will change!
08-07-2015 , 12:20 PM
Never change too much letsgambool

The forum needs it's resident obsessive nut job
10-24-2015 , 02:03 AM
No, he didn't.
10-24-2015 , 02:43 PM
There was some racism here ITF today, generally in the form of racial blaming and fear mongering complete with tons of caps lock.
10-24-2015 , 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by spanktehbadwookie
Neither black lives matter nor all lives matter are statements which need correction. Responding to one with the other, however, does show a need to correct understanding about both/either of them.
10-24-2015 , 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by bernie
Exactly. The statement black lives matter comes from a set of circumstances and problems that make it necessary. The statement "all lives matters" is a hollow, argumentative reaction to that.

Considering "black lives matter" is also a logical extension of a literal axiom "all lives matter", it is particularly stupid to argue by using 'all lives matter'.

As it is making a disagreement by using a literal statement which supports agreement with the statement being disagreed with.

"All lives matter" is a device of intentional argument using a literal language fallacy.
10-24-2015 , 08:31 PM
Yep.

It's also racist for a White person to say in response to BlackLivesMatter.
10-24-2015 , 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by bernie
Yep.

It's also racist for a White person to say in response to BlackLivesMatter.

Indeed. It is the exact kind of language that suits racists. It is meaningless and creates conflict while giving them an opportunity to openly disagree with the fact that black lives matter. Even stupider, it dupes any people who doesn't think past the literal logic and choose not to know the problems and the circumstances of black lives. Any idiot can jump in to make to noise and doubt black lives matter.

Racist and stupid.
10-25-2015 , 07:51 PM
Was at my sons hockey game today, all the parents sit together. One of the hockey moms is adopting a black baby. She was talking with the other mom's about it she said "Well I'm getting the baby next week but I don't know if I should bring her here because they hate cold." Everyone laughed then she said "My kids do so well in school, might be tough with this one, two mules don't make thoroughbreds."

So she's certainly racist, why would a racist want to adopt a black kid? WTF?
10-25-2015 , 09:40 PM
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Originally Posted by sweep single
Was at my sons hockey game today, all the parents sit together. One of the hockey moms is adopting a black baby. She was talking with the other mom's about it she said "Well I'm getting the baby next week but I don't know if I should bring her here because they hate cold." Everyone laughed then she said "My kids do so well in school, might be tough with this one, two mules don't make thoroughbreds."

So she's certainly racist, why would a racist want to adopt a black kid? WTF?

It's not incredibly uncommon. You can hate other races and you can believe other races are inferior to yours. Often they go hand in hand but they don't always have to. Feel awful for that kid, being loved by your parents like your a dog instead of a child is a horrible upbringing.
10-26-2015 , 05:08 AM
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Originally Posted by sweep single
Was at my sons hockey game today, all the parents sit together. One of the hockey moms is adopting a black baby. She was talking with the other mom's about it she said "Well I'm getting the baby next week but I don't know if I should bring her here because they hate cold." Everyone laughed then she said "My kids do so well in school, might be tough with this one, two mules don't make thoroughbreds."

So she's certainly racist, why would a racist want to adopt a black kid? WTF?
Pyramid's answer was impressive enough that I looked up other posts he made in politics. I found nothing but baseball posts lol.

I would add that sometimes people voice beliefs that they don't really hold in order to fit in with what they perceive as the group's thinking. She thinks she and her adopted kid will be judged harshly by the other moms and she is trying to maintain some belonging in that group by preemptively agreeing with them to some extent. I doubt she meant what she said in the way you think she did. We all do this to some extent in order to get along or fit in with people.

She could also be referring to the birth parents as economic failures, aside from race. If you give up a baby it pretty much means you don't have the money. Obviously people see money as a marker of overall robustness/fitness.
10-26-2015 , 07:53 AM
That level of apologetics should get you into SMP super fast!
10-26-2015 , 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Deuces McKracken

I would add that sometimes people voice beliefs that they don't really hold in order to fit in with what they perceive as the group's thinking. She thinks she and her adopted kid will be judged harshly by the other moms and she is trying to maintain some belonging in that group by preemptively agreeing with them to some extent. I doubt she meant what she said in the way you think she did. We all do this to some extent in order to get along or fit in with people.
Would she be saying this same thing about her kid if it wasn't going to be from adoption? Doubt it.

Replacing racism with classism isn't really an improvement. As this kids parent she should be giving the biological parents the benefit of the doubt, esp. within groups this kid will be growing up around.

If she hasn't got the guts to start sticking up for her kid in this situation now, she probably shouldn't be allowed to adopt yet.

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10-27-2015 , 01:50 AM
Am I right in assuming that the replies would be different if only the statement about cold had been made?
10-27-2015 , 02:42 AM
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Originally Posted by bernie
If she hasn't got the guts to start sticking up for her kid in this situation now, she probably shouldn't be allowed to adopt yet
I couldn't disagree with this sentiment more. Just because the woman is ignorant and making really bad statements doesn't wash away the fact that she's willing to do something that will undoubtedly help that child's life in astronomical ways. There's no way to tell for certain how much of an effect it will have on that child's life, but I'd say it's probably gargantuan.

People aren't perfect, but she obviously has good intentions. Because she thinks people with dark skin don't like the cold doesn't disqualify her from being a good parent.

For some reason your sentiment really touched a nerve with me. You think that child is better off being raised in a foster home or in an environment without financial and emotional support? Were your parents perfect? Were all the people you grew up with all lucky enough to be born to perfect parents?

I think what you're saying is overly judgmental and downright stupid. This woman is willing to do something the vast majority of people would never even think of doing in terms of kindness and you sit here and pass judgment on her because she made a mistake?

wtf is wrong with you people.
10-27-2015 , 04:35 AM
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Originally Posted by David Sklansky
Am I right in assuming that the replies would be different if only the statement about cold had been made?
Dunno, it's still a wierd thing to say isn't it?
10-27-2015 , 04:38 AM
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Originally Posted by wil318466
I couldn't disagree with this sentiment more. Just because the woman is ignorant and making really bad statements doesn't wash away the fact that she's willing to do something that will undoubtedly help that child's life in astronomical ways. There's no way to tell for certain how much of an effect it will have on that child's life, but I'd say it's probably gargantuan.

People aren't perfect, but she obviously has good intentions. Because she thinks people with dark skin don't like the cold doesn't disqualify her from being a good parent.

For some reason your sentiment really touched a nerve with me. You think that child is better off being raised in a foster home or in an environment without financial and emotional support? Were your parents perfect? Were all the people you grew up with all lucky enough to be born to perfect parents?

I think what you're saying is overly judgmental and downright stupid. This woman is willing to do something the vast majority of people would never even think of doing in terms of kindness and you sit here and pass judgment on her because she made a mistake?

wtf is wrong with you people.
You obviously don't realise how perfect people like Kerowo are.
10-27-2015 , 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by David Sklansky
Am I right in assuming that the replies would be different if only the statement about cold had been made?
Yes. Although the first comment is stupid and racist it is made 100x worse when combined with the 2nd statement.

I'd be interested to hear more about the context of each comment (especially the second). If they came back to back the 2nd one is definitely racist. However, if the 2nd comment came 20 minutes after the 1st comment and before she said it they were talking about how people who put their kids up for adoption tend to be less educated than the average person or how kids that are in foster care don't tend to get as high grades as the average kid it may not be racist.

By the way, my white aunt and uncle adopted a black child so I am over qualified to talk on this subject.
10-27-2015 , 09:05 AM
My uncle adopted a black baby is certainly a fresh hot take on the "I have a black friend" angle.
10-27-2015 , 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by David Sklansky
Am I right in assuming that the replies would be different if only the statement about cold had been made?

Probably, though some individuals are more sensitive to being offended by that kind of shallow, neutral stereotype humor than others.

The cold joke is definitely on a different level than the horse and mule nonsense. From the context that was described it doesn't seem the intent was to make a farce about racial stereotypes, which leaves pandering to a racist audience as a likely intention.
10-27-2015 , 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by David Sklansky
Am I right in assuming that the replies would be different if only the statement about cold had been made?
Probably.

Although the statement, intentional or not, reinforces the stereotype of Black inferiority in the minds of the friends she's talking to.

It also indicates saying things about 'those' people in general(of course, as long as it's not blatant...) will be acceptable.



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Originally Posted by wil318466

People aren't perfect, but she obviously has good intentions. Because she thinks people with dark skin don't like the cold doesn't disqualify her from being a good parent.
It's a bit more than that.

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I think what you're saying is overly judgmental and downright stupid. This woman is willing to do something the vast majority of people would never even think of doing in terms of kindness and you sit here and pass judgment on her because she made a mistake?
White knighting doesn't mean you get a pass on racism.

Mistake? There is no indication she thinks what she said was a mistake at all. Would she say this about a future kid if she were pregnant? I'm guessing if someone said that about her fetus she'd get kinda testy about it.

So yeah, I reiterate...if one isn't willing to go to bat for their kid, especially on an issue such as this in regards to friends who will be around as the kid is being brought up, you probably shouldn't be adopting this kid while patting yourself on your back.

That's not being perfect, it's called good parenting.

But hey, as long as the kid doesn't have to sleep in the shed with all the other field workers, damn, better they be grateful!

It should touch a nerve. Racism is ugly sh*t. It should also touch a nerve how you're so easily dismissive of it when it rears it's head.

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