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06-21-2015 , 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Deuces McKracken
I am referring to the double standard whereby people of color who do these things are described very differently than whites who do these things. I would like to be able to expect that the media treat criminals the same regardless of race. And in this case there is no indication the guy was diagnosable. He looks like a political extremist. According to witnesses he went in there asking for the minister. He is an assassin and terrorist who is being portrayed as the troubled young man who perhaps understandably had grappled with the loss of his birthright to multiculturalism and equal rights.

With all your talk of treating every criminal the same I would think you would pick up on the double standard in the media. The media, the court of public opinion, has effects which reverberate straight into the justice system proper.
Weird, but I've seen quite a few articles discussing this. Pretty sure that these count as media, given that they are being put out by media outlets.

As a small aside, you should be more consistent in your need for evidence. If you are going to consider it likely that he wasn't acting alone on no evidence of such, then you should be considering it likely that he is a giant pink bunny dressed up in human skin on the exact same amount of evidence and that he must have mental health issues due to the greater amount of evidence (has strange beliefs and does strange things is direct evidence of mental health issues).

Of course, I could care less whether he has mental health issues. Someone who does ****ty things is a ****ty person.
06-21-2015 , 08:53 PM
My son goes to a largely black school and gets called " a stupid white kid" quite a few times this year ..

and had a few bullies constanstly harrassing him this year in his classes.

Stop White Racism
06-21-2015 , 10:39 PM
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Originally Posted by BrianTheMick2
Weird, but I've seen quite a few articles discussing this. Pretty sure that these count as media, given that they are being put out by media outlets.

As a small aside, you should be more consistent in your need for evidence. If you are going to consider it likely that he wasn't acting alone on no evidence of such, then you should be considering it likely that he is a giant pink bunny dressed up in human skin on the exact same amount of evidence and that he must have mental health issues due to the greater amount of evidence (has strange beliefs and does strange things is direct evidence of mental health issues).

Of course, I could care less whether he has mental health issues. Someone who does ****ty things is a ****ty person.
It is a good thing you are not a mental health professional anymore.
06-22-2015 , 09:47 AM
The goal is to stop all racism. Education, understanding, and awareness are vital to reaching this goal.
07-23-2015 , 09:59 AM
I'm not sure where else to post this, but I thought this article was interesting. Nothing like this could have happened 5+ years ago. There is still a lot of racism in the US, of course racism has been slowly (but with an increased speed) dying, but actions like this do not help the cause. When you say everything is racist people become confused on who the racists really are.

http://news.investors.com/072215-762...e-evidence.htm

Cliffs:
-obama administration stole $180M from auto-lenders under the disguise of calling them racist
-their proof was statistical analysis that minorities pay more in loan costs than whites
-their analysis had no way of knowing if the car buyers were white or a minority so they guessed based on their address and last name
-they admit they are only correct in guessing black buyers 24% of the time
-they admit that they are ignoring that some buyers may be more finance savy (likely to compare finance options and be better at negotiating), have better credit scores or one of the many other factors used in coming up w/ a loan rate
-ignore all real evidence that they don't have a case and still steal $180M
07-23-2015 , 10:31 AM
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Every time dealers discount rates, they shift money from their pocket to the customer's. Discounts are subtracted directly from dealer participation rates or from the compensation that lenders set for dealers to cover payroll and other expenses. So favoring whites beyond "meet or beat" deals or other business reasons would go directly against their own financial incentives.
Seems like iron clad proof!
07-23-2015 , 11:44 AM
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but actions like this do not help the cause. When you say everything is racist people become confused on who the racists really are.
loooooooooooool bahbah, like what does this even mean? Like the administration fined the auto dealers so now...what happens, people aren't going to understand that Dylan Roof was a racist or something? Who is "getting confused"? What is "the cause"?
We still figured out you were a giant racist when you posted an article talking about the small brains that black people have.

I have some concerns with the way this specific actual investigation being done, but the administration "stealing" this money is lol. This is the same sort of concept you didn't understand when we talked about minorities being underrepresented in the c-suites. The concepts elude you and will continue to elude you because, and this might be hard to hear bahbah, but you aren't a very smart person.

Last edited by LetsGambool; 07-23-2015 at 11:49 AM.
07-23-2015 , 12:24 PM
I like they slip in that only whites are smart enough to figure out the best deals on cars.
07-23-2015 , 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey
I'm not sure where else to post this, but I thought this article was interesting. Nothing like this could have happened 5+ years ago. There is still a lot of racism in the US, of course racism has been slowly (but with an increased speed) dying, but actions like this do not help the cause. When you say everything is racist people become confused on who the racists really are.

http://news.investors.com/072215-762...e-evidence.htm

Cliffs:
-obama administration stole $180M from auto-lenders under the disguise of calling them racist
-their proof was statistical analysis that minorities pay more in loan costs than whites
-their analysis had no way of knowing if the car buyers were white or a minority so they guessed based on their address and last name
-they admit they are only correct in guessing black buyers 24% of the time
-they admit that they are ignoring that some buyers may be more finance savy (likely to compare finance options and be better at negotiating), have better credit scores or one of the many other factors used in coming up w/ a loan rate
-ignore all real evidence that they don't have a case and still steal $180M
Interesting that 50+ democrats and even the nutter letsgambool share some concerns.

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The bias allegations rest on the statistics-based legal doctrine known as disparate impact, which holds that any policy or practice that results in adverse outcomes for minority groups must be racist, even if opportunities are the same, the policies are neutral and applied evenly to all customers, and there is no intent to discriminate.
It's a policy with benefits as well even though it can hit the wrong people. The disparate impact tells us something is wrong even if we're not sure exactly where in the system the fault lies.

I wouldn't call it stealing. Well-intentioned and with good consequences but not without concerns. Can the victims claim their share of the fine?
07-23-2015 , 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by LetsGambool
loooooooooooool bahbah, like what does this even mean? Like the administration fined the auto dealers so now...what happens, people aren't going to understand that Dylan Roof was a racist or something? Who is "getting confused"? What is "the cause"?
We still figured out you were a giant racist when you posted an article talking about the small brains that black people have.

I have some concerns with the way this specific actual investigation being done, but the administration "stealing" this money is lol. This is the same sort of concept you didn't understand when we talked about minorities being underrepresented in the c-suites. The concepts elude you and will continue to elude you because, and this might be hard to hear bahbah, but you aren't a very smart person.
No, gambool everyone still agrees that dylan is still a racist. It is the less obvious cases of racism I was talking about that the public doesn't quite understand.

If you don't want to call it "stealing" you can call it "taking money away from a company with no proof of any wrongdoing". I just don't see a huge difference in those two terms/phrases.
07-23-2015 , 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by kerowo
I like they slip in that only whites are smart enough to figure out the best deals on cars.
Remember that they are guessing what race people are by last name and address.

I would suspect (and just like them I don't have any proof of this ) that someone w/ the last name of Jones living in a upper-middle class neighborhood is likely to have a better understanding of how to get a better car loan than someone w/ the last name of Jones living in the projects. To them this would be considered racism even if there is no proof which race(s) the two Jones are or if either of them did their homework on car loans.
07-23-2015 , 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
It's a policy with benefits as well even though it can hit the wrong people. The disparate impact tells us something is wrong even if we're not sure exactly where in the system the fault lies.

I wouldn't call it stealing. Well-intentioned and with good consequences but not without concerns. Can the victims claim their share of the fine?
I am a huge fan of fining this companies if they are discriminating based on race. However, I have a problem with them taking money from these companies w/o any proof of wrongdoing.
07-23-2015 , 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey
No, gambool everyone still agrees that dylan is still a racist. It is the less obvious cases of racism I was talking about that the public doesn't quite understand.

If you don't want to call it "stealing" you can call it "taking money away from a company with no proof of any wrongdoing". I just don't see a huge difference in those two terms/phrases.
Sooo....

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There is still a lot of racism in the US, of course racism has been slowly (but with an increased speed) dying, but actions like this do not help the cause. When you say everything is racist people become confused on who the racists really are.
Whare are people getting confused about because of this action? What cause isnt being helped? Why isnt the takeaway here just that a government regulator is using a flawed methodology to assess race rather than some broader takeaway about racism?

lol again at stealing, go join proph and the other ACtards if you want to use words to mean things they dont actually mean.
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I would suspect (and just like them I don't have any proof of this ) that someone w/ the last name of Jones living in a upper-middle class neighborhood is likely to have a better understanding of how to get a better car loan than someone w/ the last name of Jones living in the projects. To them this would be considered racism even if there is no proof which race(s) the two Jones are or if either of them did their homework on car loans.
Yes. We know you think black people have tiny brains. We have read the article that you posted.
07-23-2015 , 11:30 PM
Not gonna go into specific details but I am white and have been bullied and harassed by latinos as a youth and it was racially motivated.
07-24-2015 , 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey
I am a huge fan of fining this companies if they are discriminating based on race. However, I have a problem with them taking money from these companies w/o any proof of wrongdoing.
There's always only evidence of wrong doing and it's usually opaque when it comes to institutional discrimination. Disparate income is evidence, the reasonable debate is whether it's an acceptable type of evidence or whether specific actions have to be found.
07-24-2015 , 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey
I am a huge fan of fining this companies if they are discriminating based on race. However, I have a problem with them taking money from these companies w/o any proof of wrongdoing.
Disparate impact is considered sufficient "evidence."

The organizations being fined could have easily shown that their loan payment calculations were non-discriminatory if they were non-discriminatory. It is extremely easy to show the gov't your methods of calculating loan terms to demonstrate how non-discriminatory they are. Any organization involved that wanted to gather some public admiration would jump at the chance.

You know, unless they don't like money. I guess it is a more reasonable conclusion that these organizations don't like money. Yep. That must be it. They aren't guilty of discrimination, they are guilty of being commies.
07-26-2015 , 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by BrianTheMick2
Disparate impact is considered sufficient "evidence."
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Originally Posted by wikipedia
The data from 2008 reveals that Black Americans are over-represented in terms of arrests made in virtually all types of crime, with the exceptions of "Driving under the influence" and "Liquor laws".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_a..._United_States

So all laws are racist except DUI?
07-26-2015 , 01:24 PM
Wow
07-27-2015 , 12:06 AM
Affirmative action
07-27-2015 , 02:46 AM
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Originally Posted by AZMountainHiker
Affirmative action

2nd that
07-27-2015 , 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by kerowo
Wow
Point of the post was to show how ridiculous it is to say disparate impact of a law/policy is enough evidence to say it's racist. You can say disparate impact about almost any law/policy.
07-27-2015 , 11:13 PM
Its almost like the criminal justice system has a racist bent to it
07-28-2015 , 12:59 AM
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Originally Posted by LetsGambool
Its almost like the criminal justice system has a racist bent to it
All lives matter.
07-28-2015 , 02:54 AM
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Originally Posted by rugby
All lives matter.
Careful. People have gotten in trouble for saying exactly that.

      
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