Generally, if you tell people that you want to start a race war and then walk into a black church and shoot the place up, it is a sign that shooting people of a different ethnicity can be assumed to be racially motivated.

No. He is distancing himself from the perpetrator. That is a good thing.

I made fun of hair cuts... therefore racist. oooook


You're really reaching, Deuces. I think you can do better than calling me racist for making fun of the consistently bad haircuts of psychopathic murderers.

And your little scenario you invented... sitting around a bar with racist friends?

What?

In your little fantasies of me, am I wearing a cowboy hat?

Dude, if you object to the characterization, fine, but keep your eye on the ball. No one ****ing cares about their hair cuts.

I hope there is more to the story of calling Nc flounce racist than him saying a few of the most nutty people in recent memory have goofy haircuts, but you never know with 2+2ers.

It's the poisoned, murderous mind and poisonous racist ideology that's a bigger problem than flounce clowning about bad haircuts. To keep it real.

So everyone not making light of it is unhealthily drawing near to the killer? Insert cliched dismissal of psychology here. And ffs cut the "I've studied psychology- I got this" attitude. Give that ahole a pill that will will make him recognize the rights of all people or gtfo in my estimation.

Yep

Wow, I didn't know about all that. 1% chance this kid doesn't have a dad or uncle that is at least 80% as crazy as he is.

No. Any effort to say that the dude is ****ed up is an effort to distance.

Whether he is crazy or not is irrelevant.

Why do you say that?

He attacked a historically important place on a historically important date. Evil coincidence or crazy like a fox?

http://www.thenation.com/blog/210305...hite-supremacy

For the same reason I would say that if you pooped in the middle of my living room, you'd not be invited back even if it was later revealed that you are mentally ill.

It doesn't matter why he is a ****ty person. It simply matters that he is a ****ty person.

(In case it isn't clear, I am stating an opinion)

So ignoring the seriousness of the response and focusing on the criticism of the killer...It's almost seems like only a token acknowledgement that the dude is ****ed up though, like while other people are saying the guy is evil, terrorist, etc., this NC flounce douche is saying he has ****ed up hair, as if to say he's not that ****ed up. If you know you have to condemn the act but you want to express opposition to outrage, via contrast, by making a trivial, token objection, wouldn't you say something like that?

You don't know flouncy's posting history and perspective on ethnic violence.

That is a pretty small minority opinion if it's incorporated into your general philosophy of justice, as in if you think that not guilty by reason of insanity is never a valid defense. I've gone back and forth on that myself and I think it is tougher to argue against that minority position that most people might think.

His choice of target, as well as some patches he was pictured wearing, suggest some recondite racist perspective and therefore some affiliation with a supremacist group. He is being portrayed as a lone gunman but I doubt that is the whole story.

I'd say that the fact that he shot up a bunch of black folk is the actual problem.

That he has bad hair (poor personal hygiene or failure to attend to personal appearance is fairly a reliable sign of being a nutter) is just a goofy way of saying that the dude is ****ed up.

I don't really care about his posting history or perspective. I just want to say what I want to say.

People are generally too forgiving if they can understand why someone did something, imo. There is ALWAYS an explanation (whether known or unknown) for why someone is a piece of **** broken human being (nutter, beaten as a child, daddy didn't give enough hugs, chemical imbalance, wife just left him, boss called him mean names, was taught the wrong things, was made fun of in school for halitosis, is somewhat mentally ******ed, whatever).

We put down bad dogs even if they were abused as puppies. I'm ok with feeling bad about it. I am also ok with retraining programs. What I am not ok with is forgiving some (because we have a known explanation) and not others (because we fail to understand).

If everything I heard about this pumpkin pie hair cutted freak is true I'd throw him in with the general population and give him the death penalty.

And not calling him a terrorist or a thug, instead emphasizing his mental illness, is just the media's awkward way of what? expressing attribution bias rooted in racial supremacist ideology?

I think your point is only valid if the tone aligns with your explanation- it doesn't here. It's not like Flouncy's tone was "creepy ass hair muther****a" or one to express disdain. It was more like riffing, making light, detracting from the gravity, showing he doesn't think it's a that bad a thing. He thinks from a perspective that requires racial and ethnic animus to be an inherent component of human beings. A lot of times you would be right, but considering the details you are clearly wrong.

The media emphasizing him being a nutter isn't problematic in and of itself. "Of course a normal right wing person wouldn't shoot up a black church - that is just nuts."

What could you possibly expect? The more right-leaning media to say that they are just like him?

Flouncy is the media? Again, I don't really care about what you or Flounce or anyone else really thinks deep down inside. I just want to say what I want to say.

I am referring to the double standard whereby people of color who do these things are described very differently than whites who do these things. I would like to be able to expect that the media treat criminals the same regardless of race. And in this case there is no indication the guy was diagnosable. He looks like a political extremist. According to witnesses he went in there asking for the minister. He is an assassin and terrorist who is being portrayed as the troubled young man who perhaps understandably had grappled with the loss of his birthright to multiculturalism and equal rights.

With all your talk of treating every criminal the same I would think you would pick up on the double standard in the media. The media, the court of public opinion, has effects which reverberate straight into the justice system proper.

He is a mutha****ing terrorist. Lock him up and burn his flags publicly.