If you're implying that we all suffer equally, that's pretty far from the truth. I remember sitting around with a bunch of friends and talking about some sort of issue that was particularly harmful towards African Americans and one of my white friends said it's easily much easier to be homosexual in America than black. Surprisingly, everyone agreed. They were well aware of how much crap black people in this country have gone through and still go through today.

I've mentioned plenty of times that I'm Asian. I honestly don't remember one time in my life I ever worried about my safety because of that fact. Never. I've had plenty of times I've worried about my safety because of a bar fight or friends getting into a street fight, etc., but never specifically due to my race.

I've been pulled over a few times in my life, even had one call the k-9 unit on me (I think he thought we were drug trafficking. not kidding), and I've never felt like my life was in danger. I don't think many black people feel that way, at least, not from the ones I've talked to extensively. Many of them are very aware every time a police officer pulls them over or stops them on the street it could wind up with them being shot.

I think you need to reread my quote.

btw...one broad example is siding with minorities and their plight can get you denied access tor resources.

But you bring up a great question as to how ending racism would benefit Whites. I'm sure no one will try to answer that. After all, people want to end injustice as long as they get to keep the benefits they reap from the injustice. And god forbid anyone mention how dominant statuses get a leg up over others.

Interesting read:
http://euroamerican.org/wordpress/in...-white-people/

Also per Tim Wise:

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The implication is not that each of us suffers equally, that is obviously not the case. The implication is that the damage this does to society goes far deeper, is far more systemic, and the rot is far far worse than the suffering of any one individual or even group.

This is actually one of the ways intersectionalist movements and anti-hate movements in general have been hurt and it is one of the ways in which racism and prejudice have damaged society; marginalized people, whether it is by race, religion, sexual orientation, or even just social class, have found themselves pitted against one another, often in an argument of whose suffering is worse or more important to resolve. And if you are not a part of a marginalized group, or simply appear not to have suffered then you are often pushed against out of distrust, fear, and even a certain level of disdain that has taken hold.

The reality is that until we recognize, as a society or even as a species, that hate and prejudice have to be rooted out for the betterment of all of us it will never really happen. Until we recognize that the white kids who are scared to have black friends or worse have been taught that they should fear and hate people who are different from them have really suffered a different kind of abuse and a different type of damage we are not going to come anywhere near winning this fight.

This post in the Michael Brown thread in my view is racist. The message is clear black people are going to riot when they don't get their way.

I seldom agree with Eric Holder and his views but on this I am in complete agreement with him on this.

Eric Holder Pissed at Dem Missouri Governor

Quote:

A top aide to Holder called the governor’s office earlier this week to express Holder’s displeasure and “frustration,” according to a Justice Department official.

“Instead of de-escalating the situation, the governor escalated it,” said the official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak on the subject. “He sent the wrong message. The tone of the press conference was counterproductive.”

A spokesman for Nixon (D) declined to comment.

Nixons declares a state of emergency? This is basically stating that black people are going to riot so we better be ready. Completely racist in my view. Shame on FoxNews for basically hyping this meme as well.

Are 1-3 really racist?

I don't know a lot of the specific details of this case, but I think 1-3 are likely outcomes whenever you have a group of people that believe, especially with good reasons, that they are the victims of consistent injustice.

Ehh. I'm unsure about this, and here's why I think so.

1) We know the cop has a very good chance of not being indicted by the grand jury. Acquitted means being brought to trial and found not guilty. Indicted means the grand jury deems enough evidence to proceed. Even if the grand jury doesn't indict, the prosecutor can bring forth charges.

2) We know much of the evidence that we have access to sure seems like the cop shot the kid when he didn't have to. We can't be sure but it definitely seems that way, especially so in public opinion.

3) We know white cops have gotten off pretty easily in many of these situations.

4) We know that if they don't indict him, people are going to lose their collective **** in Ferguson.


That pretty much sums up the situation. I wouldn't be so quick to judge in this case that's overly racist. Saying "black people are going to riot" is a bit different than "if this cop doesn't get indicted, Ferguson is most likely going to riot". One is very different than the other. #4 is just weird. Innocent people may die, but that most likely will be an innocent black person moreso than a white one.

Anyway, that's how I see it. For what it's worth, if they don't indict him, I think they SHOULD riot. Burn the mfer down.

As the saying goes, there is no better way to protest the violence against a person you believe to be innocent than being violent against other innocent people and their property.

Bahbah, racist *******s such as yourself who are on record linking to articles about African Americans having tiny brains and getting shot by white people probably should just lay low on the Mike Brown incident.

Also since you are on record trying to disenfranchise the members of the Ferguson community and you are on record as wanting to violently break up the Occupy protests, what recourse do you think is available to the members of the Ferguson community?

Lol bahbahmickey, racist piece of trash, always and forever.

in your conversations, did any mention how their behavior is affected when being confronted by police?

Before I answer this, can you be more specific? Are you asking if my black friends have a different emotional response when pulled over?

Most of them are very leery/anxious. I would almost say "scared" but that's not the right word.

How many other options are there? Violence gets people's attention.

i'm asking how their internal feelings make them behave when confronted by police? for instance, after the fact i have never felt physically threatened by a cop.

however, in the moment i do feel scared and that makes me be extremely compliant, even if i feel they are wrong about something.

i'm just curious to hear individual perceptions and reactions from people who feel targeted by police as a general rule. i also wonder if and how police behavior changes in response to their reactions.

Wow, I am surprised you brought up the fact that I linked a racist article by accident then distanced myself from it. When did I try to disenfranchise the ferguson community?

Non-violent protests seem way better than violent protests even though they don't get as much media attention. If max media attention is the goal I think the best course of action is to start blowing up big buildings (like office towers and stadiums) and airplanes. However, at some point you may start to defeat your original purpose of lessening violence against people - specifically against AA kids.

Most of my black friends have just mentioned they feel as if anything could happen, so they are mostly compliant. Most are older also, so that may have something to do with it.

I never mouth off to a cop. I'm always compliant. Just get it over with asap and go on with my day.

getting older changes everything, i know.

Obviously non-violent protests are better

Rest is clear lol bahbah as usual.

So gambool, you said I am "on record trying to disenfranchise the members of the Ferguson community" and I asked what this was in reference to and you forgot to answer me. Can you please answer this?

cliffs from my convo w/ letsgambool so far:

me: it seems silly to protest violence w/ more violence
gambool: omg, you are racist for saying ppl shouldn't be violent. what other options do the ppl of ferguson have?
me: umm... non-violent protest
gambool: ok fine, non-violent protests are better, but that isn't fair you pointed that out, because I didn't think of it since I was too busy thinking up reasons I could call you racist... lolbahbah is racist

Your voter ID bull**** is a matter of record too bahbah. Plus your white hot hatred of non-violent protest with content you dont like.

We already went through all this in DIB's thread. Verdict: You are a racist piece of ****.

Lol at thinking we're having a conversation. Im just pointing, mocking, and laughing at you.

I understand that your opinion, and the opinion of a few other liberals in unchained, is that requiring an ID to vote is racist because it creates a barrier to vote for poor people (whilst ignoring other barriers to vote such as having to drive to the polls to vote isn't racist), but that doesn't mean it is racist.

Either way saying I am disenfranchising the people of Ferguson is a huge stretch (even for your standards) even if you believe all of that voter ID BS that you say.

Everyone please note that I was talking about Ferguson when gambool came into the thread talking about voter ID laws and some other thread from about a year ago. Yet another attempt by gambool to hijack a thread and turn it into a gambool vs bahbah argument.

Bahbah, do you really think you fooled anyone with your Ferguson comment? The vast majority of people who have read your posts before know what you are about and know what you think about Ferguson because we know you are a racist piece of ****.

I don't even know what to make of this whole situation so if you don't mind posting what I think of it I would appreciate it.

I guess when you're in your teens and 20s you are more open to getting into a confrontation or argument with people who you think have slighted you in any way. When you have a family and a career and responsibilities you just avoid trouble at almost all costs. Unless I have a real immediate threat in front of me or to my family, I'm just not getting into a confrontation anymore.

That being said, I really feel bad for my black friends. They are constantly pulled over and harassed for stupid ****. I haven't been pulled over in quite a few years.

the number of white people making stupid comments on my facebook feed about black on black crime today is too damn high.

Ugh, someone at work (yet again) made a fairly racist comment/joke. I gave them the "wat? I don't see how that's supposed to be funny" look and they quickly changed tact.

Wrt to riots; I'm certainly not for property damage, but if these people are upset about a corrupt judicial system and racist police force, the **** are they burning down gas stations for?

You're already committing felonies, go full nine and burn down the police station, or city hall.

I can see why people who think badly about blacks lump them all together and can't distinguish between looters, rioters and protesters.