thankfully, for me, my neighborhood, and the universe, micks aren't part of my viewable landscape,

Directed towards me because I'm white? None that I can recall.

Directed towards me because I'm also white, by a white person who mistakenly assumed our shared whiteness would mean I would enjoy said racism? Waaaaaayyyy too often. That's the Midwest for ya.

I dunno, I guess it never occurred to me that I could not care about the issue. I don't see why I would not care, though. My fellow man is being discriminated against and, were the rolls switched, I would appreciate support anywhere I could get it.

so you haven't the slightest clue what it feels like, right?

you've never actually been pre-judged based on your physical features? never been denied a job, housing or even a bj based on that criteria?

do you? or do you?

going to bat for sklansky senior on this one.

Haha!

Denied a bj based on being white/Irish? Nah. I'm sure there were plenty of other reasons for any bj denials.

I was, as a younger man, very impressed with the place that hired me during my goth phase. No one else bothered interviewing me. The asst. mgr. said he didn't really care what clothes I was wearing, but thought I looked friendly. Worked there for a long time, until they were bought out, actually.

Been pulled over by the police for being a guy with long hair though. Plenty of little girls asking their mommies why a boy had long hair while in grocery stores. Salesmen addressing me and my girlfriend as "ladies" until they realized I wasn't one. Lots of that stuff.

I am here bothering you at your job though.

Sorry, but questioning lk on his experiences is just mean. I'm ok with that, fwiw.

It is? How so?

i'm stating it here and now before i pass out:

you're a good man. thank you for sticking around.

Because it is no different than asking me where the nearest good French restaurant is.

I don't follow.

Of course you don't follow. I agree with Mat on you being a good man.

Well, as long as we're in agreement that you can't properly explain the idea you're peddling...

Wat?

Precisely

Exactly.

one of many reasons i am confident in calling anais a good man is because i am quite sure he stands behind all of his idealism. and when asked a direct question that he believes is a real question, simply answers, without worrying about clever points or whatever other other nonsense people worry about.

if he was the president and i was senate majority leader, we would very quickly get over our disagreements and destroy the country and possibly the world.

letgambool, it looks like your reading comprehension is again an issue. I am not saying that it isn't taking place. I am saying that it is happening less and less.

Anyways, back on topic, I don't recall every experiencing racism directed at me. However, I have seen/ heard racism so I would say I have experienced it.

Mat, your criticism that the thread is one-sided focusing on the hurt that has happened, rather than the healing which occurs is very sound and very correct. Thanks for bringing some balance ITT.

I think he is a good man because he is unaware of the full extent of how ****ty the average person is.

He just said that redlining happens because real estate agents think that minorities can't afford expensive houses. If that were the extent of the problem, the three of us could combine forces and become extremely wealthy real estate agents by focusing our marketing on the underserved minority population.

Racist moment of my own. A few years ago when I was moved to a different shop I kept hearing pages over the PA system for "Mr. Moto". I was thinking it was for an Asian guy but it was a guy who's job was to be on a towmotor all day.

And your evidence for this is your imagination.

Give me a ****ing break. So salesmen addressing somebody with long hair and his girlfriend as "ladies" is akin to racism somebody experienced? You ****ing chose to have long hair. You see the difference, you white privileged men? This is not racism, this is what is wrong with your wussied down definition of racism.

This does not mean that the mechanisms are not the same. Being called a **** by salesmen repeatedly is bad and a sign of intolerance and adds up to more than intolerance. And it is important to point out how this can end up adding fire to collective which hunts (and I know that you all have good intentions by doing so). But it is not racism, it lacks the component of ****ing "race". You can't escape "your race".

I just finished writing the most impressive chapter about my grandmother. But I can give it to you in a gist.

She hid in cellar to cellar to cellar from the bombs in '44/5. The Arrow Cross *******s knew that they could find previously undetected Jews there. So they showed up in her cellar. They pointed out everybody with a Jewish nose "you, you and you" indicating them to stand up and everybody knew that meant they would be deported to a death camp. She stood up holding her child in her arms. When he looked away she just sat down. She just sat the **** down. They went away without her.

First thing she did after the war was to get a nose correction. She had refused to being baptised during the war, but she submitted to it after it just to keep her children safe. She was the perfect non Jewish woman now. Right?

At least till she managed to develop finding a sack of flour into a thriving business.

Lets go to what you actually said

So, no, as always, my reading comprehension isn't an issue. Rather, you are an idiot with the memory of a fruitfly

Lol at whoever is letting you give them financial advice. PT Barnum got it right.

The common factor is judging by appearances. An appearance of long hair is the same as an appearance of race. Just because long hair is usually a choice does not mean that it is a correct and fair method of judging a person. Also racists tend to also not like hippies at all and as much they dislike other races. So while the two things are distinct, they share common elements.

That is intense.

As I ****ing said: No, it is not a correct judgement. And yes, it is the same mechanism. Yes they share common elements. Tell that to a black person not getting a job while you did not get the job because you had long hair.

I see your point and this is my response. I find intersectionality to be more important than exclusively catering to the emotional appeals of one group or another. Oppression hurts whomever is oppressed for whatever reason they are oppressed. Is it not more valuable to band together and resist all oppression rather than argue about who has had the worst oppression?

Just side-note-
If the long-haired person were a Sikh or Rastafarian, for example, the discrimination would be religious in a nature. Though a Sikh is more likely to be judged by their turban and the Rasta also has to overcome systemic misconceptions about ganja use.