to some, yes.

to cowards, no.

The Boston Tea party was started by a bunch of old freeloaders who didn't want to pay the crown taxes.

http://www.naturalnews.com/044654_Bu...ed_police.html

The Bundy family has run cattle on the scrubland since the 1870's, but in 1993, the government decided it "owned" the land and would start charging Bundy rent fees for his cows grazing on it. The Bundy family refused to pay the fees, so BLM went to court over the payments, and when that didn't pan out the way they wanted, they decided to unleash an army of heavily armed, militarized "soldiers" to lay siege to the ranch and steal Bundy's cattle.(2)

"They're carrying the same things a soldier would," Clive Bundy told the Free Beacon. "Automatic weapons, sniper rifles, top communication, top surveillance equipment, lots of vehicles. It's heavy soldier type equipment."

**** 'em

Good post Corb...

Chances are you won't get much response to this from the corrupt federal government sympathizers ITT...

but but...its like 2014 man...durrrrrrrrrr

Lmao you have to be trolling to try and use natural news as a source.

Yeah... two sources have it....so it is probably make believe. No snipers there at all.

Nickelodeon could have reported this and it wouldn't have mattered because it is QUOTE from Cliven...

Duker...they brought snipers there...they didn't magically appear when someone yelled "range war!!!"

Snipers were there...and they were reported to be there before the riffraff with muskets showed up on the weekend.

Duker is at least reasonable about it.

Problem eliminatore is just a corrupt fed gubment sympathizer. So adorable. Keep supporting our tyrannical monstrous sewer rat corrupt government and politicians. Keep breeding also....then we will have full on tyranny in no time.

It is true that his family history of ranching this land pre-dates the BLM. It is also true that the BLM has regulated approximately 52 ranchers out of this area of Nevada in the past several years.

Mr. Bundy refused to give them anymore of his money, reasoning that why give them the funds to regulate against him to remove him from the land.

The BLM has frequently used the tactics of endangered species to garner public support. It should be known that the desert tortoise reserve near Las Vegas has recently been closed, according to the BLM, due to lack of funding to support the tortoises. Many have been euthanized as they are considered un-adoptable. However, that same agency without funding for the tortoises has spent millions, I would guess, building a militarized compound outside the Bundy ranch, scrambling BLM personnel from neighboring states, and hiring outside contractors to rustle Mr. Bundy's cattle and corral them.

They also hauled heavy equipment onto his property and broke up water lines and cisterns that the Bundy's had paid for themselves to water the cattle. These water supplies are also used by the wild animals that enjoy the same range land.

Yes yes, federal grazing fees = South African apartheid. I'm embarrassed for you.

Perhaps if Mr. Bundy had been paying his fees they would have had enough money.

Hey, you know who owned the land before the Bundys? Indians.

And who drove the Indians out??!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!!?!??!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!??!?!? !?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!!!?!?!!?!??!?!!??!? !?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!1!?!??!!??!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!??!?! !!/!!?!!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!!!?!?!?!?!?!

LOL

You think it was Bundy ancestors, don't you?

THE FEDS DROVE THE INDIANS OFF THEIR LAND.

Awwwwww...cutesie....


Another fed guvment sympathizer ITT....



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So SM2 has feelings of contempt and disgust for Americans and American government. Is that treasonous? Or is it justscared stupid self-perpetuated disenfranchisment with a disgust projecting false sense of superiority complex? Traitor or negative creep? Maybe even both.

Put some imagination in it and the reasons available to break the law and deny responsbility for it are endless.

Same same guys that cheer Ted Nugent saying he will shoot somebody that steps on his land are the same guys that support the ranchers for squatting and violating public property. These are the same asses that want to take away the water from smelt and salmon in the California delta. We need to limit the amount of land a person can own to 2-5-10-20 acres.

Pretty much every word of this is factually incorrect or grossly misleading.

1. The BLM did not "decide it owned the land" in 1993. They apparently reduced his allotment due to the tortoise thing. Seems like he was paying before that, and only decided he didn't recognize federal jurisdiction to collect fees once he was told something he didn't like. Bundy himself said "I was paying grazing fees for management and that's what BLM was supposed to be, land managers and they were managing my ranch out of business, so I refused to pay."

2. The BLM did indeed go to court over the payments, but saying that "didn't pan out the way they wanted" is silly. The BLM won decisively, obtaining judicial orders telling Bundy to remove his stock and authorizing the seizure of the trespassing animals.

3. "Laying siege to the ranch" doesn't make any sense. If the cattle were on Bundy's property, there would be no dispute. To characterize public land where Bundy raises his cattle as his ranch is absurd. The feds cannot "lay siege" to public land.

4. Characterizing federal agents enforcing a valid court order as "cattle rustlers" is ridiculous and unproductive.

Again, opinions are only as good as the facts they're based on.

The issue is your assertion that they were there "initially".
It seems strange that you assume any claims made by Mr. Bundy are true, but any claims made by government representatives are false.
This seems much closer to the truth than your unsubstantiated version that the feds arrived and surrounded the ranch with snipers "initially".
Bundy supporters started showing up at the ranch when they were invited by Bundy via the web. This was at the same time as his "range war" threat was posted. You may have missed this quote I provided earlier from a Bundy spokesperson giving the timeline:
Besides refusing to start a firefight that kicked off the next American Revolution, what is it that you think the feds did wrong here? You initially expressed shock that everybody didn't automatically support the "simple cattle rancher who is actually producing something" (your words). You're going to have to do better than that.

fed guvment sympathizer

Patriots for Treason in Real America !!

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Hero, Bundy of BundyRanch: "We're about ready to take the country over with force!"

The land in question isn't Bundy's land.

Of course the liberals are on the side of BLM and the Feds, and the Conservatives are on the side of the Bundys.

One thing we all can agree on is that it was a good thing that the situation seems to have ended without a bunch of people needlessly getting killed.

On another note: does anyone know if Cliven is related to Al or Ted?

Just so everyone knows a little more about these tyrannical regulations, here's how much the BLM currently charges to let an animal graze each month: A dollar and ****ing thirty five cents per head per month.There are virtually no other requirements to obtain a grazing permit other than owning a piece of property that the BLM recognizes as having a preference for public land grazing activities.

Not only are BLM requirements for grazing permits laughable, they are also way under what should be charged in order to cover the BLM's costs: Yeah, I'm sure its these harsh regulations that have endangered Bundy's ranch. So deadbeats like Mr. Bundy are contributing to massive budgetary shortfalls complaining about fees that are obviously too low. BLM grazing is basically welfare for ****ty ranchers. When Bundy sucks at his profession because he's getting too old, or his children are incapable of managing the business like he once did, instead of being adults and admitting it, they cry about regulations and yell "TYRANNY!" and there is a strong cohort of well-armed idiots ready to pack into their clown trucks and rush to his aid.

Liberals historically don't like the BLM specifically because they are too generous with the lands they are charged with managing, virtually giving away mining rights, logging leases, and grazing permits and harming many of our most prized natural resources in the process.