And if you come here illegally...

Sure you were. But yeah, it's not about a tortoise. It's about some nut that thinks he can steal whatever he wants and get away with it. Glad you're coming around.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...toryId=6083944

I don't see his posts so I have no clue what he is saying but I've seen the argument before, see linked.

The right wing is going to love this drama. You've got folksy cattle rancher, who represents hardworking, meat eating, gun-toting conservatives and the jackbooted federal cow-swiping Gestapp-Obamas. Sean Hannity is already drinking this ranchers ball sweat from a martini glass.

He's actually arguing here that the state of Nevada owns the land--not the federal government. There is a bizarre right-wing movement to declare that the federal government cannot own land constitutionally. Since Obama was elected (coincidence, obv) several western states have demanded that the federal government turn over federal lands to the state. Like, officially demanded in their legislatures.

It's very strange. I guess they actually believe this nonsense because there doesn't seem to be a point to it.

FYI, just to vox.com it up here about the weird obsession that SM and the rancher have with sheriffs, while to us normals we think of sheriffs as just cops with stupider hats because they work for a different government agency, there's a sort of sovereign citizen offshoot movement of gun nuts that invests sheriffs with essentially magic powers:
http://www.denverpost.com/ci_19946455

Yeah, Someone providing something real and tangible that people need. COMPLETE NUTJOB. Put that ****er out of business immediately...

You are INsane if you actually think this is about grazing fees...The feds want the land bro.

It's pretty common in anti-environmental circles. They say Rachel Carson killed more people than Hitler. Yes, they actually say that.

The feds already have the land lol. How are you this stupid?

Please share the legal theory that says local bumpkin sheriffs are sovereign. I'd love to hear it. You're way to old to be calling anyone bro btw.

I like the disparity between what the leaders of the movement have been saying about the sheriffs... specifically:
but then an actual Sheriff who attended says:
actual sheriff-
another interesting quote-

Is the tortoise thing just what brought this to the Fed's attention after 21 years? Are they going to go after him for back taxes?

This has been going on for awhile.

Not everyone, however, was happy about all of these achievements. One such person was Club of Rome co-founder Alexander King. In 1990 he expressed why: “My own doubts came when DDT was introduced for civilian use. In Guyana, within two years it had almost eliminated malaria, but at the same time the birth rate doubled. So my chief quarrel with DDT in hindsight is that it greatly added to the population problem.”

Powerful counter-forces against the use of DDT can be traced to the birth of a new “environmental movement”. An early salvo of the attack on DDT came from Aldous Huxley, who became famous for his 1932 book, Brave New World. Huxley’s subsequent Brave New World Revisited (1958) warns that the danger to civilization posed by Third World overpopulation would lead to communist revolution, attacking DDT as an important contributor: “We go to a tropical island…and with the aid of DDT we stamp out malaria, and in two or three years, save hundreds of thousands of lives.”

Bet these guys were very much for a women's oh so precious right to choose...with respect to abortions.

Can't find the quote of the Sierra Club president in the 70's saying that Malaria is nature's population control....and that that was why he was opposed to DDT

• The population of India in 1947 was 344 million, of which a mind-bending 21.8 percent was infected with malaria. Deaths reported that year topped 800,000. In 1965, outbreaks had dropped 99 percent and no deaths occurred. Today India has the world’s only high-capacity DDT production facility and continues to enjoy extremely low rates of insect-borne disease. (Interestingly, despite environmentalist claims that DDT is a human carcinogen, WHO’s International Agency for Research on Cancer reports total rates of cancer in India are less than half those in the United States.)

• In Zanzibar, DDT spraying commenced in 1958 when malaria plagued 70 percent of the population. Six years later, frequency had dropped to 5 percent. After the DDT ban, case prevalence rose to between 50 and 60 percent.

• Malaria cases in Venezuela numbered 817,115 in 1943 when DDT entered the scene, but health authorities reported only 800 in 1958.

• In the 1950s, annual malaria cases in Nepal totaled two million, with a 10 percent mortality rate. Life expectancy was only 28 years. By 1968, there were 2,468 cases, and life expectancy reached 42.3 years in 1970. Officials credited DDT alone.

• Peru had practically eradicated malaria using DDT, but since spraying was halted there in the 1980s, malaria is once again a major public health issue.

• A 1959 pilot study conducted in Uganda reported malaria case prevalence in a high-risk area of 22.7 percent dropping to just 0.5 percent in 10 months. In surrounding variable-risk areas the rate declined from 12.5 percent to zero.

• Taiwan reduced its number of cases from more than one million in 1945 to nine in 1969. Soon thereafter officials reported the disease eradicated from the island, and it remains so today.

Why are you talking sbout ddt and hating the poor in this thread?

I assume something like - the corrupt federal government hurt business with their banning of DDT and this is somehow similar to the corrupt federal government trying to hurt innocent ranchers and put them out of business so they can steal federal land... from themselves, er... under the guise of protecting turtles.

some politican said if the protesters do not leave they should expect to have funerals ...


WTF

You mean the protesters with guns?

Not quite. He said if people are planning on coming in armed they should make funeral plans. Still not a good look but he claims he's trying to say/do anything to dissuade outside groups intent on violence from coming down.

proof

Makes me think they should have a rap battle to settle the dispute, but one side has clearly broke the law versus some politician who seems a spewwing flapper mouth is not a fair contest.

Please, the world will be so much better off when we stop raising cattle for food. Too bad libertarians don't care about pollution though.

Bringing in some other patriotism...

Seriously, who the F is John Galt?!?

Let's poll these guys for their feelings about illegal immigrants and "the law is the law"

Can we legalize smacking politicians who say funeral in these spots? That would be a slippery slope to a whole lot of smacking...